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Heard from a few folks that targeted sales in SoCal is around 500 Karmas/year. I wonder how that compares to other cars at this price point (Maserati, Aston Martin, etc). Porsche Panameras have been selling like hotcakes and are only slightly cheaper than the Karma, and I see them all over the place (in NYC and LA).

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Fisker will not be as common as BMW for a very long time, if ever. BMW is a well established company with a broad product offering. The Karma specifically is intended as a niche car, with annual production near 15,000 units, 40-50% of which for US sale.

The closest BMW comparison is probably the 7 series, of which there 5 variants not including the upcoming ActiveHybrid 7. BMW sold 11,299 last year in the US, so even if the Karma reaches full target the big BMWs will still outsell the Karma 2-1.

A better comparison is the Panamera. According to Wikipedia they sold 6188 sold in the US last year, which is right in line with Karma's targets. In other words the Karma would be about as likely to see as a Panamera, and in likely the same geographies. The top two cities for the Panamera in 2011 world-wide were Los Angeles (890) and New York (760). Hong Kong is third with only 300 sales. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_Panamera#Sales
 

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LonePalmBJ said:
Fisker will not be as common as BMW for a very long time, if ever. BMW is a well established company with a broad product offering. The Karma specifically is intended as a niche car, with annual production near 15,000 units, 40-50% of which for US sale.

The closest BMW comparison is probably the 7 series, of which there 5 variants not including the upcoming ActiveHybrid 7. BMW sold 11,299 last year in the US, so even if the Karma reaches full target the big BMWs will still outsell the Karma 2-1.

A better comparison is the Panamera. According to Wikipedia they sold 6188 sold in the US last year, which is right in line with Karma's targets. In other words the Karma would be about as likely to see as a Panamera, and in likely the same geographies. The top two cities for the Panamera in 2011 world-wide were Los Angeles (890) and New York (760). Hong Kong is third with only 300 sales. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_Panamera#Sales
Sorta what I figured. I see Panameras EVERYWHERE.
 

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We will, however, see a lot more Karmas on the road than Tesla Roadsters. :)
 

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LonePalmBJ said:
The closest BMW comparison is probably the 7 series, of which there 5 variants not including the upcoming ActiveHybrid 7. BMW sold 11,299 last year in the US, so even if the Karma reaches full target the big BMWs will still outsell the Karma 2-1.

According to the Orange County Business Journal the three largest BMW dealers in Orange County sold a combined 7332 new cars in 2010 (this does not even count Sterling BMW)

Crevier BMW 3,382 New Cars Sold in 2010
Irvine BMW 2,480 New Cars Sold in 2010
Shelly BMW 1,470 New Cars Sold in 2010
 

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SoCalGuy said:
LonePalmBJ said:
Fisker will not be as common as BMW for a very long time, if ever. BMW is a well established company with a broad product offering. The Karma specifically is intended as a niche car, with annual production near 15,000 units, 40-50% of which for US sale.

The closest BMW comparison is probably the 7 series, of which there 5 variants not including the upcoming ActiveHybrid 7. BMW sold 11,299 last year in the US, so even if the Karma reaches full target the big BMWs will still outsell the Karma 2-1.

A better comparison is the Panamera. According to Wikipedia they sold 6188 sold in the US last year, which is right in line with Karma's targets. In other words the Karma would be about as likely to see as a Panamera, and in likely the same geographies. The top two cities for the Panamera in 2011 world-wide were Los Angeles (890) and New York (760). Hong Kong is third with only 300 sales. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_Panamera#Sales
Sorta what I figured. I see Panameras EVERYWHERE.
If Fisker sells 6,000 Karmas in the US this year it will be an amazing accomplishment. No new electric / hybrid auto manufacturer (exclude GM, Toyota & Nissan) has managed to sell over 2,000 annually. Let alone a 100k+ car. In most of the US Fisker will be more of an exotic. California will be Fisker's largest market. I think the Nina is Fikser's best chance for higher volumes. I really hope they come close to selling 5,000 Karmas worldwide in 2012, that would be a real achievement given all of the issues they are having. IMO
 

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I'm guessing it'll be as common as a Panamera (but much better looking ;-)
 

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I'm with matrix on this one. Karma's, I hope, will continue to be a joy for people to see when and if they spot one.
 
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