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Karma or Tesla?
Discuss.
Discuss.
Wish some enterprising Karma owners would take a shot at this ... pickup a problematic powertrained Karma and buy an S... sure all in cost would be $200K+ but it would be a pretty sweet ride!IMHO, Steve Jobs would be able to do what I wish I could do: buy one of each, rip out the power train of the Tesla and transplant it into the body and chassis of a Fisker Karma, combining the elegant simplicity of the Tesla drive with the beautiful design and handling of the Karma.
The Tesla drive is not as elegant as you think. I would say it is marginally better than the Karma with regards to packaging. The rear sub-frame on the Karma is packaged pretty well- although everything is cast. Pulling out a subframe on a Karma is much easier, ditto for the battery.IMHO, Steve Jobs would be able to do what I wish I could do: buy one of each, rip out the power train of the Tesla and transplant it into the body and chassis of a Fisker Karma, combining the elegant simplicity of the Tesla drive with the beautiful design and handling of the Karma.
My dream Tisker would be a 85 KWH BEV, like the Model S, not a serial hybrid.The Tesla drive is not as elegant as you think. I would say it is marginally better than the Karma with regards to packaging. The rear sub-frame on the Karma is packaged pretty well- although everything is cast. Pulling out a subframe on a Karma is much easier, ditto for the battery.
Induction really does not make sense in a serial hybrid drive-train (extra components needed DC-AC etc). In theory it sounds good but the Tesla technology does not really mesh well with the Fisker serial hybrid concept.
My dream Tisker would be a 85 KWH BEV, like the Model S, not a serial hybrid.
It's a fantasy. Why are complicating it with details? But if you must know, I would take out the existing battery and ICE+Generator and replace it withe equivalent weight of Tesla high-capacity batteries to maintain the current fore-aft weight balance.Where would the extra batteries go? in the engine bay?
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You are better off buying a bottom of the barrel Model S and tinting the windows.
At 4365 lbs. curb weight I wouldn't call the SL55 small.Big guy to drive such a small car... Just sayin'...![]()
I have driven a friend's SL55 for the weekend... I think the question was Tesla or Karma? Appreciate your opinion however...At 4365 lbs. curb weight I wouldn't call the SL55 small.
I guess I was confused by what you were calling a small car...I have driven a friend's SL55 for the weekend... I think the question was Tesla or Karma? Appreciate your opinion however...
My sincerest apologies Dennis... I was thinking SLK350... Duh! I get you. Two glasses of wine and I am no good to anyone! YES! You are right... The Sunset. Me too please. What a beautiful concept car... Oh well... Hope springs eternal!I guess I was confused by what you were calling a small car...
My original point was since Jobs drove a convertible, he would have preferred the "convertible Karma" known as the Fisker Sunset.
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Except that the Iphone 5 actually exists.The Sunset is the automotive equivalent of the iPhone 5.
Fab, I went ahead and fixed that for ya!Except that more than one Iphone 5 actually exists.
I don't understand; is there an actual Fisker Sunset that works as a car? I thought the one working prototype had stopped working and was only usable as a piece of art.Fab, I went ahead and fixed that for ya!![]()
Whether it works or not is one thing but it does still exist.I don't understand; is there an actual Fisker Sunset that works as a car? I thought the one working prototype had stopped working and was only usable as a piece of art.![]()