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That brings up two opportunities for future releases of the car:
1. The easy one - it should not be possible to lock your car when a key is inside
2. The better one - have a driver assist service (like OnStar / MBrace / BMW assist). For now sounds like a dealer issue.
 

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svp6 said:
That brings up two opportunities for future releases of the car:
1. The easy one - it should not be possible to lock your car when a key is inside
2. The better one - have a driver assist service (like OnStar / MBrace / BMW assist). For now sounds like a dealer issue.
1. The Karma is not supposed to allow the doors to lock if the key(s) are inside. There are 3 oscillators located in various places in the car that are supposed to detect the key.

2. If you call 855-575-7577 (in the US) it says "Press 1 for Roadside Assistance".
 

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With 612 and later, the car should not lock with the key inside.

However, a small wedge with an inflater balloon can pry the front window away enough for the start/stop button to be pressed, which should turn on power and allow a window to be rolled down, or the central locking switch to be pressed.
 

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Nimisys, that feature was described in the Dealer pre-release copy of the Owner's Manual, but it did not make it into the copy that is being given to owners. I tried this with one fob and 6.13 and sure enough that feature is like remote cabin preconditioning....in other words, it does not work, period, which is probably why it was taken from the manual.
 

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This may be a stupid question, but how do you accidentally lock the door without the key in your hand? I can see forcing the issue by using the lock button on the dash before you exit, but I can't see someone doing that deliberately. What am I missing?
 

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Last time I locked a key fob in a car I placed it on the floor of the trunk and shut it.
 

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dennis said:
svp6 said:
That brings up two opportunities for future releases of the car:
1. The easy one - it should not be possible to lock your car when a key is inside
2. The better one - have a driver assist service (like OnStar / MBrace / BMW assist). For now sounds like a dealer issue.
2. If you call 855-575-7577 (in the US) it says "Press 1 for Roadside Assistance".
What I meant was call the assist line and they remotely unlock it for you.
 

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svp6 said:
dennis said:
svp6 said:
That brings up two opportunities for future releases of the car:
1. The easy one - it should not be possible to lock your car when a key is inside
2. The better one - have a driver assist service (like OnStar / MBrace / BMW assist). For now sounds like a dealer issue.
2. If you call 855-575-7577 (in the US) it says "Press 1 for Roadside Assistance".
What I meant was call the assist line and they remotely unlock it for you.
I am pretty sure that they DON'T have that capability.

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Supposedly you can send the fob signal through a cell phone? According to Snopes.com a very popular urban mythbuster website from the UK, this is completely false, which most of us understand, and for those that don't: a radio signal is completely different than an audio signal.
 

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Both the phone and Keyfob use digital radio signals but I would suspect that they are on completely different frequencies, modulations, encoding, etc. it would be like trying to use a TV set to receive radar signals. Just would not work.
 

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Both the phone and Keyfob use digital radio signals but I would suspect that they are on completely different frequencies, modulations, encoding, etc. it would be like trying to use a TV set to receive radar signals. Just would not work.
There must be a possibility to send signals from your phone to your car. The European (sadly not available in US) BMW iPhone application allows you to do lots of stuff remotely:

"Remote Door Lock & Unlock, Remote Climate Control, Remote Light Flash (remote control of configurable exterior light functions to locate the vehicle), Google Local Search (address destination search on the iPhone and transfer to the vehicle navigation system) and Vehicle Finder (display of current vehicle position on a map in the iPhone – for locating a parked car within a radius of up to 1,5 kilometers)."

I agree with Matrix that known bugs need to be fixed first, but it seems like it would not be that complicated to write such an app. Maybe a thought for 2013 models...
 

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Svp6 - as far as I know (Nimsys could confirm), the Karma does not have a cellular modem connection built in, and EVERYTHING gets powered down 2 minutes after you leave the car. So any app would be worthless as there is no way to communicate with the car.
 

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Svp6 - it's is technically possible, certainly, but the Karma isn't equipped to communicate. The Karma has no WiFi or cellular communication mechanism. It has no Onstar or MBrace (the Mercedes Benz variant) like facility that provides service.

On cars that do, a central call center can do things like remote unlock your car, and remote monitor location for theft recovery. The cars are also designed to proactively broadcast your position in the event of a crash or an airbag deployment for example. Also, these cars can be communicated with via special purpose websites or mobile applications, so you can unlock, remote start, check your battery/fuel level or locate your car with a smartphone app, for example.

I wouldn't be surprised to see this added to the Karma in a future model year, but as been pointed out, this capability introduces parasitic drain on the battery system which isn't desirable.

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svp6 said:
Fabulist said:
Both the phone and Keyfob use digital radio signals but I would suspect that they are on completely different frequencies, modulations, encoding, etc. it would be like trying to use a TV set to receive radar signals. Just would not work.
There must be a possibility to send signals from your phone to your car. The European (sadly not available in US) BMW iPhone application allows you to do lots of stuff remotely:
Those features are available in a lot of cars these days but they do not work by having the phone talk directly to the car. The phone talks to a secure website on the Internet, which then transmits signals via the mobile phone network, or satellite, to the car. As have been said before, the Karma has no wireless Internet connection capability, so it would not be possible for the current generation of the car to receive commands or send out data.
 
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