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My E Brake often gets an error so I stopped using it and now the error is gone and I can see the speedometer again. Took about 2 days without using it. I used to use the E brake 3 times a day and I guess the plastic sheath is frayed and I have to cut those bits off so it retracts better.

Whenever I stop now I try to find level ground and just use P and no E brake. How much of an incline do you think I need before P fails? What is P actually doing to stop the car?

When a repair shop appears somewhat close by and not 20 hours from Vancouver city then I will obviously get the e brake repaired, but for now this seems like a solution.
 

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Engaging park is a steel "pawl" with teeth that is moved via an electric motor. The teeth on the pawl arm engage into the teeth of the gear in the RDM on the output shaft. Its really the same as a normal transmission of a gas engine car but that is connected to a cable and shifter. But cars such as mercedes use the same theory of electric motor to engage park in the transmission. It doesn't really wear out, however when the rdm has an old style clip that holds the output shaft in, the park pawl can wear into the rdm case and cause noise but it has nothing to do with using park.
 

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For what it's worth, I've owned my Karma three years this month and I don't think I've ever used the parking brake.

I live in relatively flat Georgia, so keep that in mind too.

Brent
 

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I only use the parking brake when I am on a steep hill. Otherwise, it is just in park. Have not had any issues with using park and no brake.

Coming up on three years of ownership and still loving the drive......
 

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I live in the Netherlands....can't get any flatter than that. haha. I do not need anything to prevent the car rolling away. I only use the parking brake after a cold reboot......
 

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I live in Alberta, only a few hours from the Saskatchewan border.

You guys don't know what flat is!

No need to worry about your dog running away here, you can see him for 3 days ;)
 

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Whenever I stop now I try to find level ground and just use P and no E brake. How much of an incline do you think I need before P fails? What is P actually doing to stop the car?
As a former San Franciscan, my advice to you would be to make sure you curb your wheels so that, in the unlikely event of Park failure, the curb will keep the car in its place.
 

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There is a dealer in Vancouver.

Bmw/Rolls Royce of Vancouver. Used to sell fisker when they were part of the delawri group, but the new owner though still services fiskers if need be. They still have fisker trained techs and equipment. Keep in mind however, they no longer supply or order parts, you have to source them yourself .

Beautiful area your in, I just moved from the lower mainland a year ago, and my parents are in ladysmith right on the ocean, gorgeous!
 

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Oh cool. I contacted NEW Fisker last month by email and they never told me this, they just told me the below info. This is the company address your referring to on West 5th, correct? http://www.rolls-roycemotorcars-vancouver.com/


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Thank you for your email, and on behalf of the new company, we would like to sincerely thank you for being a Karma owner.

At this time, the only authorized service provider in Canada is Fisker Montreal:

Fisker of Montreal
David O'Shaughnessy
5155 Rue de Sorel
Montreal, QC H4P 1G7, Canada
(514) 738-3030

Outside of Canada, the nearest service providers have been listed below:

Elite Motors OC
Alex Pop
27812 Aliso Creek Rd Ste E110
Aliso Viejo, CA 92656
714-697-0557
 

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Yup, that's them :)

They officially aren't a fisker dealer, but they will service the car providing you supply parts if they are needed.

There's a fisker specific service writer there, can't remember his name, but was great to talk to.

Took over half an hour of his day to chat with me on the phone telling me all I needed to know before I purchase.

Good group of people it seems!
 

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I doubt they would bill fisker directly for warranty work.

The new owner (open road group) isn't officially a dealer anymore.

From discussions I had with the distinctive collection in Calgary, whom owned the Vancouver store, they got burned badly by fisker and never saw a dime from them in labour for warranty claims they did. Not to mention selling remaining new stock at 69k per unit at a huge loss.

You'd have to deal with fisker or one of the guys on here for parts, have the Vancouver dealer repair the car, and seek whatever partial reimbursement fisker authorizes directly from them. I'd think???
 

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I doubt they would bill fisker directly for warranty work.

The new owner (open road group) isn't officially a dealer anymore.

From discussions I had with the distinctive collection in Calgary, whom owned the Vancouver store, they got burned badly by fisker and never saw a dime from them in labour for warranty claims they did. Not to mention selling remaining new stock at 69k per unit at a huge loss.

You'd have to deal with fisker or one of the guys on here for parts, have the Vancouver dealer repair the car, and seek whatever partial reimbursement fisker authorizes directly from them. I'd think???
Sounds like a similar scenario as that of Dilawri Group in Toronto. Do not know the story but Fisker has no support for 28 plus owners here and Dilawri has been silent.
 

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I hate to say it, but from the stories I've heard from ex fisker dealer principals, I can't blame any if them for abandoning the brand.

They lost huge sums of money setting up fisker franchises and supporting the brand, then got hosed in the end.

I wouldn't continue supporting a product line I've already lost huge money on. It was a bad situation for the dealers and the owners. Everybody lost :-/
 

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I hate to say it, but from the stories I've heard from ex fisker dealer principals, I can't blame any if them for abandoning the brand.

They lost huge sums of money setting up fisker franchises and supporting the brand, then got hosed in the end.

I wouldn't continue supporting a product line I've already lost huge money on. It was a bad situation for the dealers and the owners. Everybody lost :-/
From my perspective, the dealers did not abandon the brand, they abandoned the customers they sold a 100k+ vehicle to, customers they made representations to.

I understand expecting customers to share in the pain, and pay for service. But to abandon their customers altogether, as was done by Fisker of Bellevue owned by O'Brian Auto which operates the local Lexus, Volkswagen, Volvo, Toyota, etc. That I do not understand. O'Brian says on their website "Our goal is to ensure that our customers are satisfied not only at the time of purchase, but as long as they own their vehicle." Pure B.S.
 

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Ok, time for some clarity here. I was on the conference call last summer with New Fisker and the dealer principles discussing the agreement for Customer support program. When the terms were presented, I witnessed multiple dealers scoff at it in anger because the program requires participating dealers to provide up to $1000 in labor to the claimants. It was at that moment that most of the dealers bailed (I'm not naming names).
As far as the Vancouver dealer, they are not in the program so they are not able to receive ANY reimbursement through the program, nor is the owner of a vehicle using them. There were tradeoffs here.
My take, ANY dealer that whines about losing money shouldnt be in the car business, let alone any business. It is a sign of poor character to leave your customers hanging because you took a chance on a new franchise(which was practically given to them with little out of pocket up front) and it didn't work out. Dealers have an ethical responsibility at some point, if you dont want to stand behind the failed company, at least stand behind your customers.
Yes, we stayed around, and I've likely recouped most if not all of the losses by staying busy so our owner is one of the fortunate ones, but he didn't do it for that reason, he said he made a promise to the first buyers of the car that were skeptical, that we would always be here to support the product. Profit or not.
 

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Ok, time for some clarity here. I was on the conference call last summer with New Fisker and the dealer principles discussing the agreement for Customer support program. When the terms were presented, I witnessed multiple dealers scoff at it in anger because the program requires participating dealers to provide up to $1000 in labor to the claimants. It was at that moment that most of the dealers bailed (I'm not naming names).
As far as the Vancouver dealer, they are not in the program so they are not able to receive ANY reimbursement through the program, nor is the owner of a vehicle using them. There were tradeoffs here.
My take, ANY dealer that whines about losing money shouldnt be in the car business, let alone any business. It is a sign of poor character to leave your customers hanging because you took a chance on a new franchise(which was practically given to them with little out of pocket up front) and it didn't work out. Dealers have an ethical responsibility at some point, if you dont want to stand behind the failed company, at least stand behind your customers.
Yes, we stayed around, and I've likely recouped most if not all of the losses by staying busy so our owner is one of the fortunate ones, but he didn't do it for that reason, he said he made a promise to the first buyers of the car that were skeptical, that we would always be here to support the product. Profit or not.
FiskerPhilly your orginization is a class act. I'm in business and been in business for a long time. my 02, to be in an ethical business , you have to plan for the long hual (so time you make money some time you lose money but in the aggregate you create a long term business) -- typically If you can't back what you sell, then youe should not be selling it -- unless you are a Con-artist who scams people under the pretence of "doing" business.
 
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