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Looks like production has recently finally started, according to this UK-article, with Leonardo DiCaprio reportedly receiving the first production car later this month. I heard he will play an important role in promoting the Karma. The article also contains some interesting information about the production rate:

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/258134/


The first Fisker Karma will be delivered later this month, with the company claiming to secured 3000 pre-orders for the radical range-extended four-door performance car.

The Mercedes CLS-sized Karma is the work of former Aston Martin designer Henrik Fisker, and has been developed around a bespoke aluminium spaceframe chassis. Its powertrain consists of a mid-mounted battery pack and twin rear-mounted electric motors, with a 260bhp 2.0-litre turbo four acting as a generator when electric power is depleted.

Film star Leonardo di Caprio will take delivery of the first production car, with high-profile buyers including Al Gore and Colin Powell set to follow.

At present five cars a week are being built at the Valmet production plant in Finland, with production set to rise to 300 cars a week from November. Consequently Fisker estimates the $100,000 car (set to cost around £95,000 in the UK after taxes) is sold out until early 2012.

"Our sales are split 50:50 between early-adopting car enthusiasts and total non-car enthusiasts who just like that we are bringing something totally new to market," said Fisker. "They recognise the infrastructure isn't there for electric cars, and see we offer a stylish, stress-free alternative with no range compromises."

Saloon, convertible and shooting-brake models of the Karma will eventually be produced, with the latter set to be unveiled at the Frankfurt motor show in September.

Subsequently, in 2013, a smaller, four-door range-extended BMW 3-series rival will be launched, which is currently known as Project Nina.

Again, there will be three bodystyles and it will cost from $50,000, although unlike the Karma it will be available in left and right-hand drive.

Fisker estimates it will sell 100,000 Nina models a year, making it one of the best-selling alternatively powered vehicles when it goes on sale.
 

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Looks like production has recently finally started, according to this UK-article, with Leonardo di Caprio reportedly receiving the first production car later this month. I heard he will play an important role in promoting the Karma. The article also contains some interesting information about the production rate:

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/258134/


The first Fisker Karma will be delivered later this month, with the company claiming to secured 3000 pre-orders for the radical range-extended four-door performance car.

The Mercedes CLS-sized Karma is the work of former Aston Martin designer Henrik Fisker, and has been developed around a bespoke aluminium spaceframe chassis. Its powertrain consists of a mid-mounted battery pack and twin rear-mounted electric motors, with a 260bhp 2.0-litre turbo four acting as a generator when electric power is depleted.

Film star Leonardo di Caprio will take delivery of the first production car, with high-profile buyers including Al Gore and Colin Powell set to follow.

At present five cars a week are being built at the Valmet production plant in Finland, with production set to rise to 300 cars a week from November. Consequently Fisker estimates the $100,000 car (set to cost around £95,000 in the UK after taxes) is sold out until early 2012.

"Our sales are split 50:50 between early-adopting car enthusiasts and total non-car enthusiasts who just like that we are bringing something totally new to market," said Fisker. "They recognise the infrastructure isn't there for electric cars, and see we offer a stylish, stress-free alternative with no range compromises."

Saloon, convertible and shooting-brake models of the Karma will eventually be produced, with the latter set to be unveiled at the Frankfurt motor show in September.

Subsequently, in 2013, a smaller, four-door range-extended BMW 3-series rival will be launched, which is currently known as Project Nina.

Again, there will be three bodystyles and it will cost from $50,000, although unlike the Karma it will be available in left and right-hand drive.

Fisker estimates it will sell 100,000 Nina models a year, making it one of the best-selling alternatively powered vehicles when it goes on sale.
Here's the actual Q&A which gives a little bit more color:

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/269986/henrik_fisker_qa.html

Henrik Fisker Q&A
We interview the CEO of Fisker Automotive about the hybrid Karma, which arrives this year, and the firm's grand plans for the future
Auto Express Car ReviewsBy Jack Rix12th July 2011With first deliveries of the £90,000 Fisker Karma range-extending hybrid beginning this month, Henrik Fisker is about to find out whether the company he built from scratch sinks or swims. But with funding already secured not only for the Karma (read our first drive here) and its derivatives, but also for the next model, known as project Nina, things are looking promising. We find out about the Hollywood elite that were first in line for the Karma, and how Fisker doesn't see Tesla as a rival at all.

When exacty do first deliveries of the Karma begin?

Deliveries begin in America in just a few weeks - our very first car in fact is for Leonardo DiCaprio, but other notable buyers include Al Gore, Colin Powell and the Prince of Denmark. The first cars arrive in Europe in August and the UK in September, although there's non right hand drive version. At the moment we're only building around five cars a week, but by November that will be ramped up to more like 300 a week.

What type of customers do you seem to be attracting?

Half are supercar enthusiasts, half are conscious of their environmental impact, but still want a nice car. That's the thing about the Karma, because it's so different to anything else out there, even non car enthusiasts are getting excited about it. However, most of us customers already own a large Mercedes or Porsche Panamera. With the Karma, we're redefining what luxury is - it's no longer leather seats and electric windows, you can get those things in a Kia, it's about having something that very few other people have.

How many orders have you taken for the Karma so far?

Probably over 3,000, but I don't like quoting these sort of figures as fact - people can still pull their order for a car at anytime.

Will there be other derivatives of the Karma?

Yes, in fact you can expect to see the first derivative of the Karma very soon. I can't say too much, but it's very hot, very different and something designers often dream about building but rarely get the chance. The key to our strategy is that we designed the Karma with all its derivatives in mind right from the outset, that saves huge amounts of time and money further down the line.

Do you see the forthcoming Tesla Model S Saloon as a rival?

No, not really. For a start it's a good chunk cheaper than the Karma, but the definition of a rival is that we're competing for the same customers. As we're both recent start up companies what we both need to do is steal sales from established manufacturers. There are similarities between the two companies though - I can't think of any other companies in recent times that have secuired around billion in funding apart from Tesla and ourselves. There was a window around three years ago to get ahead with new technology and we took it, I think that's closed now because the major manufacturers have caught up.

What makes Fisker Automotive different?

The fact that our cars can be adopted with no compromise. The Karma will charge up in five and a half hours and travel 50 miles in electric-only Stealth mode. But when the batteries run low the range-extender engine kicks in, driving a generator and keep the batteries charged. Switch to Sport mode and the engine will speed up and the battery charge will actually increase as your driving along.

What can you tell us about your next model, project Nina?

It will be half the price of the Karma and on sale in 2013, based on an all-new platform. The plan is to build 100,000 units a year eventually and there will be several derivatives, too. Traditionally making smaller and cheaper cars more advanced is a no-go, but it will feature an upgraded version of the Karma's powertrain. With new technology you have to go with whatever the most advanced solution available to you is. The first finished prtotype is ready and will running by the end of the year - it will be the most radical four-door family saloon ever, but we'll be keeping it under wraps until the end of next year.

How is the dealer network shaping up?

We already have 45 dealers in the US, 45 in Europe and 20 in China signed up. All of those have bought the servicing equipment too and are currently being trained - amazing when you thing we've had to set all this up before we've even sold one car. We 've shown dealers the Nina and all the derivatives, so clearly it's got them excited.

Is there scope for a third, even cheaper, model range?

Yes there is definitely scope to move even further down in price. We will always be a premium brand, but as technology improves that's the way it will be heading. Once we get to this point of mass-production it's possible to imagine a strategic partnership with a larger manufacturer, but for the moment we want to stay independent.

Can you envisage an all-electric Fisker in the future?

Eventually pure-electric cars will take a sizeable share of the new car market, but not for 10 years at least. Until then range-extender hybrids will be the fastest growing automotive technology, because they can be adopted immediately without any sacrifice form the driver.



Read more: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/269986/henrik_fisker_qa.html#ixzz1Ru1Myy4v
 

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Ah, hadn't seen that one yet. It's refreshing to read an interview that gives some new views and some real news instead of the statements we've read over and over again the last few years.

Some news in this interview: the public unveiling of the 'Nina' has moved to the end of 2012 (was spring 2012). Very understandable, because otherwise it might take a chunk out of Karma-sales too soon.
 

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It's a shame Fisker is keeping the wraps on the Nina - they should just debut it now as a 2013 or 2014 model... the demographics for the two cars are sufficiently different to minimize any potential cannabilization.
 

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Errr.... did I read this correctly?

"At present five cars a week are being built at the Valmet production plant in Finland, with production set to rise to 300 cars a week from November."

Can Fisker confirm this? At 5 a week until November there's no way my production date of September 16th is going to hold. At that rate they wouldn't get to mine until December or so.

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RE: Soon first car for Leonardo di Caprio?

Brian, I am convinced it means that production is now at 5 per week and will gradually rise to 300 per week by November. So by September it will probably be somewhere between 100 and 150 per week. Such a build-up makes much more sense. It also fits with the production dates we were given.
 

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Errr.... did I read this correctly?

"At present five cars a week are being built at the Valmet production plant in Finland, with production set to rise to 300 cars a week from November."
Brian,

The article was edited in such as way as to imply a jump from 5 to 300 come November, but if you read the Q&A with Henrik Fisker he never actually said that. He said it's about 5 now and will be ramped to 300 by November. I expect that they are going to be continuously ramping up between now and then.

I doubt it'll be perfectly linear, but for comparison if you were at 5 units per week this week and increased capacity 25% every week (i.e. 6.25 next week and 7.8 units the week following) you'd be at over 300 units per week by mid November. That seems like a very sustainable ramp-up accelleration. Of course, that still only gets 166 cars built by 9/18/2011.

I have no idea what the actual ramp rate is obviously, and I doubt it's a smooth progression. It's not hard to come up with a model that manages to both get our cars built when they promised and still get to a 300 unit/week run rate by November in a seemingly doable way.

Or maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part :)

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RE: Soon first car for Leonardo di Caprio?

If the ramp-up is something like this:

Week Cars per week
1 5
2 5
3 10
4 10
5 30
6 30
7 60
8 60
9 120
10 120
11 200
12 200


Total by November 850

from November on 300
till End of year 3900

Total by end 2011 4750



We could still see about 4,500 cars produced this year if my wishful thinking is not totally off :)

However for Europe in September is somewhat worrying (for me) and the delivery times from Finland will seriously impact this as well.

Cut-off will I guess be 6 weeks earlier so that would be max 2,900 units delivered... Hope mine still makes it in time, I have always said if it is not delivered before the end of year than I'll bail-out....
 

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Lucky Leonardo, he only has to wait one more week before getting getting the "keys'' to his Karma: on July 21 (if we are to believe The Economist):

http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2011/07/electric-cars?fsrc=rss

I do hope Fisker is going to grab this opportunity with both hands and create a lot of (free) publicity. So not the way Monaco was handled (where the idea was brilliant, but the publicity spin-off was not). If played well, this news could hit every celebrity channel, magazine and site in the world, and many newspapers too.
 

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Lucky Leonardo, he only has to wait one more week before getting getting the "keys'' to his Karma: on July 21 (if we are to believe The Economist):

http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2011/07/electric-cars?fsrc=rss

I do hope Fisker is going to grab this opportunity with both hands and create a lot of (free) publicity. So not the way Monte Carlo was handled (where the idea was brilliant, but the publicity spin-off was not).
Dutch, curious - when is your production date?
 

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August 23 :cool:
Lucky you - I'm a month later (deposit holder since Jan 2009). Please take some good video and pics (I ordered same color combo as well)!
 

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Errr.... did I read this correctly?

"At present five cars a week are being built at the Valmet production plant in Finland, with production set to rise to 300 cars a week from November."

Can Fisker confirm this? At 5 a week until November there's no way my production date of September 16th is going to hold. At that rate they wouldn't get to mine until December or so.

-Brian
Ya think?

At five a week until November, assuming production started on July 1, that's about 100 cars out the door by Nov. 1. If they ramp up to 10 or even 20 a week in August or Sept. That's still no more than 200 - 300 cars out the door. My list # is 737 and production date was Aug 31. It will more likely be Nov 15th. Delivery around the first of the year. I just wish Fisker would be more forthcoming and update this information as things change. Oh well, another 2.5 month slip in schedule :(

PS. If delivery goes past January, 2012, I just might bail and wait for the Tesla S sedan. What's another 12 - 15 months :)

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The reservation number doesn't seem to be the determining factor. What counts is if you are in the first production run (chose your color and interior in March or April and have been given a production date; in your case August 31).

Many people between #1 and #737 have dropped out over the past three years and others have decided to wait for a test drive. So there are probably just a few hundred people between Leonardo and you.

I was given a production date of August 22 about 1,5 months ago, and that has now moved up one day to August 23. So it looks like, besides a little shift here and there, those dates might more or less hold up.

So with 4-6 weeks for production, sea transport and preparation you are probably looking at delivery early to mid October.
 

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Supposedly, Al Gore is #2 right after Leo and taking delivery at Fisker of Huntsville which makes sense since we are just accross the border of TN. I will let you know if I see him pick his up around the same time as Leo. As it would only make sense as it would be too costly to ship a single car overseas that the entire shipment of 200 cars, 100 Signature Editions and 100 dealer cars would come in a single shipment.
 

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Just for reference, my number and production date are in my sig. It doesn't seem that there's a lot of correlation across the board...
 

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Wouldn't surprise me if these first few cars are being flown in.
Perhaps not for Leo, if they plan on using him in a marketing campaign as suggested. I read the cost of flying one in is about $5-10k. That really cuts into the profit margin.[hr]
By the way, I saw an article mention the other style of Karma will be a shooting-brake style. At the end of the article.
http://www.dailytech.com/Fisker+Karma+has+3000+Orders+Sold+Out+Until+Early+2012/article22142.htm[hr]
By the way, I saw an article mention the other style of Karma will be a shooting-brake style. At the end of the article.
http://www.dailytech.com/Fisker+Karma+has+3000+Orders+Sold+Out+Until+Early+2012/article22142.htm
 
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