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The subject heading is an exact quote from Bill O'Reilly tonight, 06/05, on his program....has anyone heard this or know what the hell he is talking about??? He said "this was learned just today"!!! Bill normally has his facts straight, but what i think he was implying is the fact Fisker may not build the karma or atlantic in the u.s. due to the problems with the doe loan, NOT that Fisker MAY DROP ITS ENTIRE ELECTRIC CAR PROGRAM....i hv it recorded & thats his exact quote. If he misquoted, he needs to air a correction immediately....did anyone else see/hear this???
 

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The subject heading is an exact quote from Bill O'Reilly tonight, 06/05, on his program....has anyone heard this or know what the hell he is talking about??? He said "this was learned just today"!!! Bill normally has his facts straight, but what i think he was implying is the fact Fisker may not build the karma or atlantic in the u.s. due to the problems with the doe loan, NOT that Fisker MAY DROP ITS ENTIRE ELECTRIC CAR PROGRAM....i hv it recorded & thats his exact quote. If he misquoted, he needs to air a correction immediately....did anyone else see/hear this???
So, let's see, they are going to drop their entire EV program and do what, go back to manufacturing scissors?

Note that Fisker has never stated that they aren't going to manufacture cars in the U.S.
 

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The subject heading is an exact quote from Bill O'Reilly tonight, 06/05, on his program....has anyone heard this or know what the hell he is talking about??? He said "this was learned just today"!!! Bill normally has his facts straight, but what i think he was implying is the fact Fisker may not build the karma or atlantic in the u.s. due to the problems with the doe loan, NOT that Fisker MAY DROP ITS ENTIRE ELECTRIC CAR PROGRAM....i hv it recorded & thats his exact quote. If he misquoted, he needs to air a correction immediately....did anyone else see/hear this???
O'RLY is wrong about pretty much everything else; why would you think he is right about this?

"Tide goes in, tide goes out, you can't explain it!" :dodgy:
 

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Exactly my point, makes zero sense. I love my car, hv had just minor issues, i'm sick of the media piling on bad press for what is an awesome car & i like O'Reilly....ridiculous. I really think Fisker should be more proactive in warding off false accusations in the media, Fisker pr needs to step it up
 

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The subject heading is an exact quote from Bill O'Reilly tonight, 06/05, on his program....has anyone heard this or know what the hell he is talking about??? He said "this was learned just today"!!! Bill normally has his facts straight, but what i think he was implying is the fact Fisker may not build the karma or atlantic in the u.s. due to the problems with the doe loan, NOT that Fisker MAY DROP ITS ENTIRE ELECTRIC CAR PROGRAM....i hv it recorded & thats his exact quote. If he misquoted, he needs to air a correction immediately....did anyone else see/hear this???
Do you have any link to a video/audio/print version of O'Reilly's segment. I ask because I've searched Bill O'Reilly's website, and there is nothing about the Fisker Karma ceasing production of electric cars from either today's program nor yesterday's program. Are you sure you heard correctly?
 

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txam99 said:
The subject heading is an exact quote from Bill O'Reilly tonight, 06/05, on his program....has anyone heard this or know what the hell he is talking about??? He said "this was learned just today"!!! Bill normally has his facts straight, but what i think he was implying is the fact Fisker may not build the karma or atlantic in the u.s. due to the problems with the doe loan, NOT that Fisker MAY DROP ITS ENTIRE ELECTRIC CAR PROGRAM....i hv it recorded & thats his exact quote. If he misquoted, he needs to air a correction immediately....did anyone else see/hear this???
O'RLY is wrong about pretty much everything else; why would you think he is right about this?

"Tide goes in, tide goes out, you can't explain it!" :dodgy:
Perhaps in your mind O'Reilly is wrong about everything. I too heard this but couldn't find any official info. That being said Delaware Lawmakers speak openly about Fisker never going to produce a single car in the state. These aren't Republicans either they are all friends of VP Joe Biden ......... Its common knowledge in Delaware that the Fisker deal was campaign kickback dollars. I being a car guy and run WMOT-7 TV can't get any info from Fisker as promised so I tend to believe what is being said.
 

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Exactly my point, makes zero sense. I love my car, hv had just minor issues, i'm sick of the media piling on bad press for what is an awesome car & i like O'Reilly....ridiculous. I really think Fisker should be more proactive in warding off false accusations in the media, Fisker pr needs to step it up
What exactly can they do? Predict what's going to be said and issue a press release before its said? Many big companies have a "we do not comment on rumors and speculation" policy just for this reason.
 

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txam99 said:
The subject heading is an exact quote from Bill O'Reilly tonight, 06/05, on his program....has anyone heard this or know what the hell he is talking about??? He said "this was learned just today"!!! Bill normally has his facts straight, but what i think he was implying is the fact Fisker may not build the karma or atlantic in the u.s. due to the problems with the doe loan, NOT that Fisker MAY DROP ITS ENTIRE ELECTRIC CAR PROGRAM....i hv it recorded & thats his exact quote. If he misquoted, he needs to air a correction immediately....did anyone else see/hear this???
O'RLY is wrong about pretty much everything else; why would you think he is right about this?

"Tide goes in, tide goes out, you can't explain it!" :dodgy:
Delaware Lawmakers speak openly about Fisker never going to produce a single car in the state. These aren't Republicans either they are all friends of VP Joe Biden ......... Its common knowledge in Delaware that the Fisker deal was campaign kickback dollars. I being a car guy and run WMOT-7 TV can't get any info from Fisker as promised so I tend to believe what is being said.
Jimmy,

What you said do not add up. :dodgy:

How can the Fisker loan possibly be a kick back? It is a loan and not a grant. If it were a grant, it could be called that. For a loan, Fisker needs to pay the loan back. Currently, the loan is stopped and not even in play.

If Fisker never going to produce a single car in Delaware as suggested by the lawmakers? How can it be a kick back to Delaware?

Now, because you are not granted an interview by Fisker, you therefore believe whatever you heard on the street about Fisker. Is that logical? :-/ And you are a TV car reporter guy? No wonder we have so much misinformation.
 

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Jimmy Biggs said:
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txam99 said:
The subject heading is an exact quote from Bill O'Reilly tonight, 06/05, on his program....has anyone heard this or know what the hell he is talking about??? He said "this was learned just today"!!! Bill normally has his facts straight, but what i think he was implying is the fact Fisker may not build the karma or atlantic in the u.s. due to the problems with the doe loan, NOT that Fisker MAY DROP ITS ENTIRE ELECTRIC CAR PROGRAM....i hv it recorded & thats his exact quote. If he misquoted, he needs to air a correction immediately....did anyone else see/hear this???
O'RLY is wrong about pretty much everything else; why would you think he is right about this?

"Tide goes in, tide goes out, you can't explain it!" :dodgy:
Delaware Lawmakers speak openly about Fisker never going to produce a single car in the state. These aren't Republicans either they are all friends of VP Joe Biden ......... Its common knowledge in Delaware that the Fisker deal was campaign kickback dollars. I being a car guy and run WMOT-7 TV can't get any info from Fisker as promised so I tend to believe what is being said.
Jimmy,

What you said do not add up. :dodgy:

How can the Fisker loan possibly be a kick back? It is a loan and not a grant. If it were a grant, it could be called that. For a loan, Fisker needs to pay the loan back. Currently, the loan is stopped and not even in play.

If Fisker never going to produce a single car in Delaware as suggested by the lawmakers? How can it be a kick back to Delaware?

Now, because you are not granted an interview by Fisker, you therefore believe whatever you heard on the street about Fisker. Is that logical? :-/ And you are a TV car reporter guy? No wonder we have so much misinformation.
When VP Biden was in the Delaware plant announcing the deal two years back Mr Fisker promised access to everything (to keep Delaware up to speed on the plant) I have been given ZIP ZERO NADA access. When talking to the state representatives they all just laugh about the deal. BOTTOM LINE is its common knowledge here in Delaware that its not going to happen ........... And Fiskers actions just make what these politicians say gospel
OH and it wasn't kickback to Delaware it was Kickback to the Obama campaign
 

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Jimmy Biggs said:
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Jimmy Biggs said:
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txam99 said:
The subject heading is an exact quote from Bill O'Reilly tonight, 06/05, on his program....has anyone heard this or know what the hell he is talking about??? He said "this was learned just today"!!! Bill normally has his facts straight, but what i think he was implying is the fact Fisker may not build the karma or atlantic in the u.s. due to the problems with the doe loan, NOT that Fisker MAY DROP ITS ENTIRE ELECTRIC CAR PROGRAM....i hv it recorded & thats his exact quote. If he misquoted, he needs to air a correction immediately....did anyone else see/hear this???
O'RLY is wrong about pretty much everything else; why would you think he is right about this?

"Tide goes in, tide goes out, you can't explain it!" :dodgy:
Delaware Lawmakers speak openly about Fisker never going to produce a single car in the state. These aren't Republicans either they are all friends of VP Joe Biden ......... Its common knowledge in Delaware that the Fisker deal was campaign kickback dollars. I being a car guy and run WMOT-7 TV can't get any info from Fisker as promised so I tend to believe what is being said.
Jimmy,

What you said do not add up. :dodgy:

How can the Fisker loan possibly be a kick back? It is a loan and not a grant. If it were a grant, it could be called that. For a loan, Fisker needs to pay the loan back. Currently, the loan is stopped and not even in play.

If Fisker never going to produce a single car in Delaware as suggested by the lawmakers? How can it be a kick back to Delaware?

Now, because you are not granted an interview by Fisker, you therefore believe whatever you heard on the street about Fisker. Is that logical? :-/ And you are a TV car reporter guy? No wonder we have so much misinformation.
When VP Biden was in the Delaware plant announcing the deal two years back Mr Fisker promised access to everything (to keep Delaware up to speed on the plant) I have been given ZIP ZERO NADA access. When talking to the state representatives they all just laugh about the deal. BOTTOM LINE is its common knowledge here in Delaware that its not going to happen ........... And Fiskers actions just make what these politicians say gospel
OH and it wasn't kickback to Delaware it was Kickback to the Obama campaign
I don't know the fact. Imagine in the last two years, Fisker has been nose to the grind stone with the Karma. With Delaware, I just read they have some workers clearing out the old plant and recycle the material. Until last year, loan money stopped, so everything came to a halt. Not sure if there is any interesting news possibly come out from Fisker on the Delaware plant.

Now, supposedly Fisker is talking with DOE about the loan. Should they do the talking in public?

Just my two cents.
 

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I call BS on O'Reilly. I hope Fisker asks for an apology for libel and disinformation. As for Mr. Jimmy Biggs, I hope you have some concrete proof of kickbacks before you level accusations of illegal dealings between Fisker and the Obama campaign. I am sure the GOP would love to see the proof.
 

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Mr. Briggs appears to have a very specific point of view about this deal, and his reporting, such as it is, seems not even within shouting distance of being objective. There is nothing wrong with having a strong point of view, but don't try to sell me opinion as news. I tried engaging him a couple of times and it basically went nowhere, so I would respectfully suggest letting him rant and rave in peace and not to provide any fresh fodder for his conspiracy stories.
 

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Jimmy Biggs said:
ct-fiskerbuzz said:
When VP Biden was in the Delaware plant announcing the deal two years back Mr Fisker promised access to everything (to keep Delaware up to speed on the plant) I have been given ZIP ZERO NADA access. When talking to the state representatives they all just laugh about the deal. BOTTOM LINE is its common knowledge here in Delaware that its not going to happen ........... And Fiskers actions just make what these politicians say gospel
OH and it wasn't kickback to Delaware it was Kickback to the Obama campaign
Mr. Biggs, your story doesn't make one bit of sense. None at all.

In what possible way could a DOE loan to Fisker Automotive function as a kickback to the Obama campaign? It is completely implausible if not impossible. And if, by some wildly implausible mechanism, the DOE loan actually was a kickback to the Obama campaign, dontcha' think it would violate all sorts of campaign finance laws that would put both Obama, Henrik Fisker and Fisker Automotive in legal jeopardy? I seriously doubt this incumbent POTUS would risk reelection by engaging in such shenanigans.

I had hoped that when I logged onto fiskerbuzz this morning I would find some clarification on this thread that was started last night. As it is, you've just muddied the water with what seem to be the paranoid rantings of a partisan. Please, go take your meds and come back only when you can engage in discussion that is based in reality.
 

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ALthough I don't always agree with Bill O'Reilly, I like him as a person. Unfortunately Fox has an agenda to kill electric cars. They make fun of the Volt, Leaf and Prius, now that Fisker is catching steam, one more car on their radar.
 

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Wouldn't it be just great if some important Republican (Mitt Romney?) would stand up and say: 'hey wait, these EV-cars are actually really a great idea, they make us less dependent on oil from unstable countries, they improve our trade balance, they don't spoil the air we breathe in our cities and they provide American jobs'. It can't be that hard.
 

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Fat chance. Romney fanned the flames of the bogus ABC story on the DOE -> Fisker loan last fall by penning an editorial about how government should stay out of the auto industry.

However, I haven't heard any more remarks from the Romney camp about Fisker in about a month. So maybe Ray Lane (or other wealthy Fisker investors) really did convince the Romney campaign itself to steer clear of attacking Fisker?

That won't stop Fox news but if true I guess it's something to be thankful for?
 

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I am not going to dig up the articles again, but from what I have read this is a mix of statements taken out of context, those statements being:

(1) Fisker will never make a 'battery' electric vehicle, they will always be plug-in hybrids, or range-extended hybrids, whatever you want to call them.

(2) With the freeze on DOE funds, Fisker is looking elsewhere to build the Atlantic.

As for the second statement, it only makes sense for Fisker to have this public stance otherwise, they would have little to no bargaining power with DOE to re-negotiate. It is going to drag out until after the election. If Obama wins, look to see the DOE grant a renegotiation, if Romney wins, Fisker will most likely still build the Boxwood plant, but with VC money. Either way, the Atlantic will be built at the Boxwood facility, IMHO.
 

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Last time I looked into this, Fisker did have some grants from the state of Delaware.
The grants are all conditioned on certain minimum level of employment at the plant and can be clawed back by the state if Fisker fails to deliver the jobs.
 

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Actually the ATVM loan program was created by the last Bush Congress and managed by the Bush administration. The decisions of who was getting what pretty mostly happened before the Obama administration took charge. It was Obama's people who decided that Fisker were not meeting deadlines and stopped the flow of money (which of course is true so is simply competent administer-ing).

Yes, Biden stood around and took credit, but that's what politicians do. :dodgy: I'd like to give Obama props for "green jobs" here but the story just isn't true.
 
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