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I have been following for a long time and browsing the forum unregistered for a couple years to just follow what you all are experiencing and learning from the amazing resource and people on here. I am surprised to search and see no information on VIN #: YH4K14AA0CA000573 (http://www.platinumleasing.com/2012-Fisker-Karma/Used-Car/Sorrento-FL/5357983/Details.aspx) I have been watching this car for a long time now and it is still there. I have to be weary and wonder why. low VIN number? the wrap maybe hiding flaws? no real info on what maint specifically.

Anyway, just want to say hello and I hope to pull the trigger on one at some point hopefully before the MY2016's come out. I currently drive a 2013 Volt and have almost 50k miles on it 80% of those being electric and I commute 110 miles a day. So, doing that in a Karma would be pure joy.
 

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Welcome! There are lots of good Karmas out there - I would suggest you consider the 3 currently being posted on another thread by @FiskerPhilly. They have been serviced and updated and you can be more confident on the history of these cars IMHO.

Good luck with your search and just take your time. A little extra due diligence and patience can mean the difference between a great car with few issues versus one with lots of potential headaches.

P.S. I also have a Volt as my daily driver, and you will love driving the Karma by comparison.
 

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Welcome! There are lots of good Karmas out there - I would suggest you consider the 3 currently being posted on another thread by @FiskerPhilly. They have been serviced and updated and you can be more confident on the history of these cars IMHO.

Good luck with your search and just take your time. A little extra due diligence and patience can mean the difference between a great car with few issues versus one with lots of potential headaches.

P.S. I also have a Volt as my daily driver, and you will love driving the Karma by comparison.
Hello WATTGAS. I am in contact with FiskerPhilly : ) I am indeed taking my time. How does the Karma compare in range? I would think very similar. I am getting around 1300 miles in between fill-ups in the Volt.
 

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Do what I do and have both (Karma and a Volt)!

Obviously range varies based on driving habits. I rarely use gas for either cars, as I have a ChargePoint at work. The Volt's range is reliably 35 miles and the Karma is a bit more (40 or so).
 

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Hello WATTGAS. I am in contact with FiskerPhilly : ) I am indeed taking my time. How does the Karma compare in range? I would think very similar. I am getting around 1300 miles in between fill-ups in the Volt.
I've been obsessively tracking this for my Karma. Obviously YMMV but for the last seven fill-ups, which take me back into mid-2012, I've seen the following distance between fuel stops:

1013.0
1920.0
1905.0
1863.0
1451.0
2228.0
497.0

This averages to 1554 miles between fill-ups. It's worth noting that the Karma fuel tank is relatively small; the average fill-up was only 7.79 gallons.
 

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Apparently you've used about 50 gallons to drive more than 10,0000 miles.

So would it be fare to say you're getting around 200 mpg?
 

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Apparently you've used about 50 gallons to drive more than 10,0000 miles.

So would it be fare to say you're getting around 200 mpg?
197.9 over that span. Not that I'm counting :)
 

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But it depends on if you're using that ~200MPG to compare to ... say ... a 35MPG Honda Civic ... it's apples & oranges. However, since the electricity to get your Karma to 50 miles is maybe 1/3 the cost of the equivalent 2 gallons of gas ... You can suggest that he used 50 Gal ($3/Gal call it $150) to drive 1250 miles, and got 8750 miles on electricity at about $1 per 25 miles. So, $350 for the electric miles. Which is equivalent to 117 Gal ... plus the original 50 makes it 10,000 miles for (the cost of) 167 Gallons of gas, or about a 60MPG equivalent to compare against that Honda! :)
 

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Hello WATTGAS. I am in contact with FiskerPhilly : ) I am indeed taking my time. How does the Karma compare in range? I would think very similar. I am getting around 1300 miles in between fill-ups in the Volt.
My Karma actual range varies from 36-42 miles on a full charge. Similar to the Volt, the Karma is sensitive to high temperatures. It seems like the Karma is not as sensitive as the Volt to low temperatures, but admittedly our Phoenix weather is not "real" cold weather. I wish the Karma had a 100 mile range before the generator kicked in.

My Volt actual range varies from 42-52 miles on a full charge, depending on weather too. I got close to 60 miles on a single charge last November with some serious coasting downhill and most of the driving on fairly flat city roads driving about 45 mph. I'm at just over 39K miles on month 39 of my 39 month lease and I've used 101 gallons of gas. I had it up to about 1250 MPG, but then Blink changed their commercial charging rates to time based charging, which took the full recharge costs at my company from $5 to $12. With gas being so cheap it doesn't make any financial sense to use Blink under the new billing structure.

Good luck with your continued Karma search.
 

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JCMorrill hit it right on the spot. The calculation you used is pretty accurate although it can do with a little refinement but it is indeed good enough. The cost of electricity has to be taken into account so on average one would say you would pay a third - in electric mode only - for the equivalent miles in gas only mode. I just love not going to gas stations. By the way, over the five/six weeks I have owned my car I am getting 300 miles per gallon using the same formula used above accounting for cost of electricity. Cool, eh?
 

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My Karma actual range varies from 36-42 miles on a full charge. Similar to the Volt, the Karma is sensitive to high temperatures. It seems like the Karma is not as sensitive as the Volt to low temperatures, but admittedly our Phoenix weather is not "real" cold weather. I wish the Karma had a 100 mile range before the generator kicked in.

My Volt actual range varies from 42-52 miles on a full charge, depending on weather too. I got close to 60 miles on a single charge last November with some serious coasting downhill and most of the driving on fairly flat city roads driving about 45 mph. I'm at just over 39K miles on month 39 of my 39 month lease and I've used 101 gallons of gas. I had it up to about 1250 MPG, but then Blink changed their commercial charging rates to time based charging, which took the full recharge costs at my company from $5 to $12. With gas being o cheap it doesn't make any financial sense to use Blink under the new billing structure.

Good luck with your continued Karma search.
This has gotten interesting. I didn't realize the Karma gas tank was under 8gal. I get similar ranges as you on my Volt. I get to charge free at work and the volt charges within 3.5-4 hours on L2 and 8hrs on 110 we have both options. If I take a 110 spot by 8am I'm fully topped back up before heading home. Is it correct that the Karma takes 10 hours on 110? I would have to make sure I get in by 7am to snag one of the 7 L2s in the Karma. Not a big deal.
 

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JCMorrill hit it right on the spot. The calculation you used is pretty accurate although it can do with a little refinement but it is indeed good enough. The cost of electricity has to be taken into account so on average one would say you would pay a third - in electric mode only - for the equivalent miles in gas only mode. I just love not going to gas stations. By the way, over the five/six weeks I have owned my car I am getting 300 miles per gallon using the same formula used above accounting for cost of electricity. Cool, eh?
That's awesome.
 

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This has gotten interesting. I didn't realize the Karma gas tank was under 8gal. I get similar ranges as you on my Volt. I get to charge free at work and the volt charges within 3.5-4 hours on L2 and 8hrs on 110 we have both options. If I take a 110 spot by 8am I'm fully topped back up before heading home. Is it correct that the Karma takes 10 hours on 110? I would have to make sure I get in by 7am to snag one of the 7 L2s in the Karma. Not a big deal.
My Volt takes 4 hours to charge on L2 and the Karma is about 5.5 hours on L2. I don't use L1 charging any more on either car, but my Volt takes about 10-12 hours on L2 and I think the Karma was like 13-14 hours on L2. So if you're going to charge the Karma at work, I would definitely get there early enough to get a L2 charging spot. Out of curiosity, what does the L2 charging cost at your work. Is it time-based charging or usage-based charging?
 

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This has gotten interesting. I didn't realize the Karma gas tank was under 8gal. I get similar ranges as you on my Volt. I get to charge free at work and the volt charges within 3.5-4 hours on L2 and 8hrs on 110 we have both options. If I take a 110 spot by 8am I'm fully topped back up before heading home. Is it correct that the Karma takes 10 hours on 110? I would have to make sure I get in by 7am to snag one of the 7 L2s in the Karma. Not a big deal.
(1) it's not (under 8 galllons), it's a 10 (US, not Imperial) gallon tank. I've put as much as 9.5 gallons in—by which point the dashboard "out of fuel" alarm had been on for some miles.

(2) The Karma takes roughly 13 hours to charge using 120 volt household current and the supplied "convenience charger". Since house current is merely a nominal 120 (actual "normal" range is about +/- 5% or about 115 to 125 volts) your time may vary.

On 240 volt power, my Karma takes just over 5 hours to charge from nearly empty (typically 1 to 3 miles of range left by the time I get home; Blink charger reports charge time as anywhere from 5:05 to 5:17).

I'm not sure what my (night = charge time) "240 volt" actual voltage is. My (PG&E supplied) "smart meter" reports the actual voltage as a bit over 240, typically in the 242 to 244 volt range, when I've checked it, but this was when the sun was shining and I was producing electricity from the house solar panels (which is why I was checking).
 
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