I think the answer to that would be: No.SoCalGuy said:
I think the answer to that would be: No.SoCalGuy said:Fisker, are you listening???
I think that's exactly what's going on. They think people will be so seduced by the car's sexy looks that they'll overlook everything else about it including the exorbitant price. The way I look at it is the Karma is like the dumb hot blonde with the boob job: nice to look at and play around with, but nothing you'd want to get serious with.kabalah70 said:I can only imagine that Fisker thinks they have such a beautiful car that people will be willing to deal with the headaches of ownership to own such a wonderful car.
Like many of you, I have waited a long time for this car (2 years in my case), and have been subject to many promised dates for my car that failed to materialize.kabalah70 said:...especially if they are doing their due dilligence and reading forums like this and see how poorly customers are being treated.
I keep seeing this, but fail to understand how this vehicle is more groundbreaking than the volt?dennis said:In my view, Fisker is making their best efforts in bringing a very complex, ground-breaking product to the market.
So it needs to be more groundbreaking than the Volt to be groundbreaking? Or just more groundbreaking than the 300+ other car models that are currently being produced?AnOutsider said:I keep seeing this, but fail to understand how this vehicle is more groundbreaking than the volt?dennis said:In my view, Fisker is making their best efforts in bringing a very complex, ground-breaking product to the market.
I agree entirely. It's everyone's "choice" to buy or cancel. If you're really not happy with them, then simply cancel. I still believe in them as they haven't pissed me off yet.dennis said:In my view, Fisker is making their best efforts in bringing a very complex, ground-breaking product to the market. The company and the cars are not perfect, but no car is, and I'm really excited to be getting mine. I went into this eyes wide open that there were going to be problems, and I suspect I will see some more. But I have faith in my dealer, and that the company will stand behind the cars and fix any problems, just as they have done with the battery recall.
Groundbreaking means the FIRST. "Breaking new ground" is a claim neither of these vehicles satisfies. Evolutionary, yes, but not revolutionary, and not groundbreaking. People love to use adjectives to describe things, but it lessens the importance of the word. It is a beautiful, luxurious car that uses a pretty unique propulsion system. That's how I'd describe it, but then again I spit out the Koolaid.dennis said:So it needs to be more groundbreaking than the Volt to be groundbreaking? Or just more groundbreaking than the 300+ other car models that are currently being produced?AnOutsider said:I keep seeing this, but fail to understand how this vehicle is more groundbreaking than the volt?dennis said:In my view, Fisker is making their best efforts in bringing a very complex, ground-breaking product to the market.
Actually, in a number of ways the Volt is more complex, with the ability for the gasoline motor to drive the wheels directly (through fancy planetary gear system). This makes the Volt a serial-parallel hybrid. I prefer the fully serial hybrid design myself, because the engine RPM can then be optimized better, but the Karma just uses an existing GM engine that is not tuned for this in the first place, so it does not gain the extra mileage that (e.g.) the Prius does (with its Atkinson cycle engine).SoCalGuy said:I personally think the Karma is largely the same tech as the Volt - it just has way nicer packaging (i.e. styling). I've never driven a Volt, and I'm sure many will tell me that it doesn't handle as well, not as fast, etc, but the main points remain: similar tech, 1,500lbs lighter, better gas mpg, 1/3 the price.
It would appear to me that you have a very narrow definition of groundbreaking.Thebreadman said:Groundbreaking means the FIRST. "Breaking new ground" is a claim neither of these vehicles satisfies. Evolutionary, yes, but not revolutionary, and not groundbreaking. People love to use adjectives to describe things, but it lessens the importance of the word. It is a beautiful, luxurious car that uses a pretty unique propulsion system. That's how I'd describe it, but then again I spit out the Koolaid.
If I'm not mistaken the Volt is very nearly as fast as the Karma. When the Karma is in stealth mode, and the Volt operates in a similar state (full charge, engine not running), the 0-60 times are very close, are they not?SoCalGuy said:I personally think the Karma is largely the same tech as the Volt - it just has way nicer packaging (i.e. styling). I've never driven a Volt, and I'm sure many will tell me that it doesn't handle as well, not as fast, etc, but the main points remain: similar tech, 1,500lbs lighter, better gas mpg, 1/3 the price.
My dealer called me today with an update (my Deep Ocean EcoSport is "In transit to the port of entry" yay!) and he mentioned that they are still waiting to deliver a Signature Edition too. Fisker Atlanta has two customer deliveries on the road, one SE and one EcoStandard.kabalah70 said:dennis, the issue is that I have never received a satisfactory reason as to why my SE #51 has not been delivered when as far as I know every other one has. There were no colors to choose, so there should have been no delay in awaiting that before setting a production date. I am no Al Gore or Leo DiCaprio, but I did expect a bit of priority handling having reserved a Signature Edition.
dennis said:So it needs to be more groundbreaking than the Volt to be groundbreaking? Or just more groundbreaking than the 300+ other car models that are currently being produced?AnOutsider said:I keep seeing this, but fail to understand how this vehicle is more groundbreaking than the volt?dennis said:In my view, Fisker is making their best efforts in bringing a very complex, ground-breaking product to the market.
I would think so, though I guess it depends on how much wiggle room there is for you. If two companies set out to do the same thing, something that is not-yet-established, they could both be considered pioneers I suppose. However, if one company succeeds at something, then another company comes along and does the same thing, I wouldn't call the second company a pioneer.ground·break·ing/?ground?br?kiNG/
Adjective:
Breaking new ground; innovative; pioneering.