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Guys

We would like to reposition our karma and really use it as a promotional car.
We intend to car wrap it but we would also like to replace the front grille and the standard rims.

Where do I find alternative grills for the car?
Is it possible and allowed to put 24 inch rims on the car and what are the tire sizes then?

Thanks

Steve
 

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Steve,

I can actually help with both of those. Alternative grill choices that are available now:

Strut - I am a distributor for them. I have a thread elsewhere on the forums that has a number of pictures of their products. They also have a few options not pictured as well as custom painting and such. http://www.fiskerbuzz.com/forums/27-fisker-karma-modifications/6522-distributor-strut-products.html

"Surf" Grill - This grill was made completely by hand based on pictures of the Karma 'Surf'. 100% fiberglass with a manufacturers warranty for life that guarantees no cracking at all. In stock. http://fixthekarma.com/?product=custom-karma-surf-grill

"Paranoia" Grill - A grill patterned after the one used in the movie Paranoia with Harrison Ford. I should have this ready for pre-order quite soon. For pictures PM me, I have a few on my phone. Here's one to start: http://www.fiskerbuzz.com/forums/27-fisker-karma-modifications/7898-paranoia-grill.html

For the wheels, I have a meeting coming up with a major wheel manufacturer out here in California. The owner of the company has a Karma that I've done service on and he says he's had 24" wheels on the car already. I'll be happy to get you more information on tire sizes and pictures of what rims will fit.

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I have a customer with 24" the only issue is the tires are now so close to the inner wheel arches the tires are destroying the arches once the arches are worn out damage to the low temp radiators can occur because the wheel arches prevent rocks and other stuff from hitting the radiators .
 

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Thanks lormax. How much is the strut grill with wood insert?

On a side note : I have never really understood the desire for large wheels, the 22's on the Karma seem huge, 24's just seem ridicuoilus. But I know to each there own.

I wonder how the karma would look with something more reasonable like 20's and would this theoretically improve performance?
 

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I am looking for a black grille. Does this exist?
@Harleyguy:so best not put 24' on the karma :)
 

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Any of the grills I have available either come in black or can be painted, no problem. They can even be painted the Eclipse black paint on the Karma if you'd like.
 

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Lormax

Can you provide mail ( info[at]earchitect[dot]be ) with pricing?
Is it easy to replace ourselves? It does not jeopard warranty? You never know these times :)
 

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My business is automobile wheels - the factory ones that come originally OEM. However I'm around aftermarket wheels all of the time and have a lot of friends in the game, so I know a fair amount about this topic.

I REALLY wanted to go with 24" wheels for my Fisker. However - the bottleneck in the custom wheel game is rarely (if ever) the wheels - but rather - THE TIRES. You see, you can find plenty of people to custom-make any design, fitment and offset of custom wheel you could ever want. But who can make you a CUSTOM TIRE? Because tires don't come in every single possible combination, and you need to have specific-sized tires - especially on cars from the last 20+ years because of systems like speed sensors, ABS, an ASR. Complicating matters is the fact that the Karma is one of those truly rare cars - that has tires that are staggered front to rear - in OVERALL DIAMETER. Yes, there are many cars with staggered width, front to rear. But much more rare is to have them staggered in height, and the Karma's rear tires have a larger OD (meaning, they are taller) than the fronts. And you need to respect that ratio, lest you start triggering codes and/or other problems when the vehicle starts getting readings that it doesn't like, comparing individual wheel speeds with each other. It can throw a light. Or worse, it can trigger your ABS or ASR, thinking that one wheel is slipping when it's speed doesn't match the other - or at-least, what it 'expects' others to read.

So the problem is - finding 24" tires that are in the appropriate ratio of staggered height. They just don't exist. I did see a chrome-wrapped Karma in Miami that had 24's; all four tires were the same size and that (to me) is a no-no, for the aforementioned reason. So I'm staying with 22" and having my friend Jordan at ADV.1 make some beautiful lightweight forged wheels.

Hope this helps.

~Howard, Wheels Direct llc
 

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I don't think there is enough clearance in the wheel arches for 24 inch tires. Not during full lock. You will be grinding the arches. Interestingly they are made out of some felt fabric. Never saw that before...
 

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I had 24's for almost 2 years and I went through about 8 wheels and tires. Kept breaking/cracking the rims and blowing the tires and the ride wasn't very good and finding tires wasn't easy especially after a blowout! I would not recommend them unless for show purposes only. They fit fine except for turning very sharp it would rub a little bit but the look was amazing. I went back to 22's after and haven't had one problem.
 

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"Paranoia" Grill available now??

Steve,

"Paranoia" Grill - A grill patterned after the one used in the movie Paranoia with Harrison Ford. I should have this ready for pre-order quite soon. For pictures PM me, I have a few on my phone. Here's one to start: http://www.fiskerbuzz.com/forums/27-fisker-karma-modifications/7898-paranoia-grill.html

Thanks!
hello Lormax,
you ever went into the Paranoia Grill "re" - production?
it really looks better.
I went back on my March 2008 Geneva Car Fair Photos - but yes: seems I "fell" for the car with the ugly standard grill :dodgy:
Pat
 

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hello Lormax,
you ever went into the Paranoia Grill "re" - production?
it really looks better.
I went back on my March 2008 Geneva Car Fair Photos - but yes: seems I "fell" for the car with the ugly standard grill :dodgy:
Pat
Is travis still around?
 

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Is travis still around?
I don't think so, but that's unfortunate 'cause I'd really like to get my hands on that Paranoia Grille.
SC Karma's message from Nov. 2013 stated they were made by Fisker Coachbuild.
I tried contacting him, never got an answer.

FiskerPhilly made a similar one but stated :
Just don't ask for a set, WHAT A NIGHTMARE these were to make with this material
That doesn't leave us with too many options.
If anybody in the US is willing to contact Fisker CB on this matter:
Fisker Coachbuild, LLC
19 Corporate Park
Irvine, CA 92606
Design Service Inquiries & General Inquiries
Phone: 949.274.4445
Email: [email protected]
 
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