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I spent a few days this week with two engineers from Fisker they pointed out something I think owners should know concerning charging you Karma .

First off no matter 220 or 110 when you are ready to charge the car wait till the car goes to sleep before you hook up the charger .
If some of you notice when you stop the car and the engine's fan is running and you plug the charger in the fans more then likely keep running and the car won't full charge .

Also another point after the car is finished charging before you open the door remove the charge cord even if you forgot something in the car if the car wakes up during charging there is a good chance you will get a check engine light on .It has too do with the power load to the on board charger to the Hybrid control unit .

If you follow these easy steps you will avoid charging issues
 

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That is good info to know. I know I have broken those two observation. Maybe why I can't clear the check engine light....

Thanks for the info. I will make sure to follow the advice when I get her back.

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Thanks for the info! I can definitely attest to the first issue.

Last night I got out of the car. Locked it and plugged it in.
The engine fan was still running. I came and checked on it a few hours later and the engine fan was still running!

I unplugged the charger and the engine fan turned off almost immediately. I plugged the charge back in and it continued to charge happily.
 

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Thanks Harley, I am almost positive that is the reason for my current MIL (Malfunction Indicator Light) or what everyone is refering to as the 'Check Engine Light' or CEL, which is really a misnomer, especially considering this forum and the fact that most of us are getting it because of something other than the internal combustion engine.

In fact, I just read the codes and I had two instances of DTC (Diagnostic Trouble Code) P07AB - Battery Energy Control Module Requested MIL.

I am guessing one instance for opening the door, another for closing it? Or maybe I went in twice, I can't remember.

Also, I cleared the codes and the MIL went away. Of course, to do all this, I took your advice and unplugged the car first, opened the door, brought the car into STEALTH mode to get a proper code read, as it has been my experience that ACC mode will give network transmission error codes because it is not fully booted and will not reset the codes either. After reading and reseting and verifying the MIL was gone, I closed the door and plugged my car back in.
 

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kabalah70 said:
Thanks Harley, I am almost positive that is the reason for my current MIL (Malfunction Indicator Light) or what everyone is refering to as the 'Check Engine Light' or CEL, which is really a misnomer, especially considering this forum and the fact that most of us are getting it because of something other than the internal combustion engine.

In fact, I just read the codes and I had two instances of DTC (Diagnostic Trouble Code) P07AB - Battery Energy Control Module Requested MIL.

I am guessing one instance for opening the door, another for closing it? Or maybe I went in twice, I can't remember.

Also, I cleared the codes and the MIL went away. Of course, to do all this, I took your advice and unplugged the car first, opened the door, brought the car into STEALTH mode to get a proper code read, as it has been my experience that ACC mode will give network transmission error codes because it is not fully booted and will not reset the codes either. After reading and reseting and verifying the MIL was gone, I closed the door and plugged my car back in.
You can read codes in the ACC mode also but of coarse you can read more codes in the ready mode you are right about all the nods being on the network also with a generic reader you won't be able to ready the any of the codes having to do with the Generator of the traction motors you need a four channel tool I actually have to install and adapter in order to read them and then remove the adapter to read the rest .
 

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Harleyguy,

Would you happen to know if there are any plans to implement a delayed charging mode? It would be nice to plug it in when I got home and then have the car start charging when the rates drop after midnight.
 

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musique said:
Thanks for the info! I can definitely attest to the first issue.

Last night I got out of the car. Locked it and plugged it in.
The engine fan was still running. I came and checked on it a few hours later and the engine fan was still running!

I unplugged the charger and the engine fan turned off almost immediately. I plugged the charge back in and it continued to charge happily.
Ditto! Fan was running hours later..unplugged...plugged back in..no more fan running;)
 

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ejo3rd said:
Harleyguy,

Would you happen to know if there are any plans to implement a delayed charging mode? It would be nice to plug it in when I got home and then have the car start charging when the rates drop after midnight.
I agree. The Karma knows what time it is and it has control of its on-board charger. The Fisker 115V and 220V chargers have no timer capability.
 

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Harleyguy said:
I spent a few days this week with two engineers from Fisker they pointed out something I think owners should know concerning charging you Karma .

First off no matter 220 or 110 when you are ready to charge the car wait till the car goes to sleep before you hook up the charger .
If some of you notice when you stop the car and the engine's fan is running and you plug the charger in the fans more then likely keep running and the car won't full charge .

Also another point after the car is finished charging before you open the door remove the charge cord even if you forgot something in the car if the car wakes up during charging there is a good chance you will get a check engine light on .It has too do with the power load to the on board charger to the Hybrid control unit .

If you follow these easy steps you will avoid charging issues
AWESOME!
 

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ejo3rd said:
Harleyguy,

Would you happen to know if there are any plans to implement a delayed charging mode? It would be nice to plug it in when I got home and then have the car start charging when the rates drop after midnight.
No idea if there is any plans in the works but I find no reason why you can't have an electrician install a timer either 220 or 110 I have one on my pool pump and that works on 220 . I would also like to mention don't use a GFI outlet and if you use an outdoor outlet make sure it's one of those enclosed type boxes

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ejo3rd said:
Harleyguy,

Would you happen to know if there are any plans to implement a delayed charging mode? It would be nice to plug it in when I got home and then have the car start charging when the rates drop after midnight.
I agree. The Karma knows what time it is and it has control of its on-board charger. The Fisker 115V and 220V chargers have no timer capability.
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Harleyguy said:
I spent a few days this week with two engineers from Fisker they pointed out something I think owners should know concerning charging you Karma .

First off no matter 220 or 110 when you are ready to charge the car wait till the car goes to sleep before you hook up the charger .
If some of you notice when you stop the car and the engine's fan is running and you plug the charger in the fans more then likely keep running and the car won't full charge .

Also another point after the car is finished charging before you open the door remove the charge cord even if you forgot something in the car if the car wakes up during charging there is a good chance you will get a check engine light on .It has too do with the power load to the on board charger to the Hybrid control unit .

If you follow these easy steps you will avoid charging issues
AWESOME!
 

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Harleyguy said:
ejo3rd said:
Harleyguy,

Would you happen to know if there are any plans to implement a delayed charging mode? It would be nice to plug it in when I got home and then have the car start charging when the rates drop after midnight.
No idea if there is any plans in the works but I find no reason why you can't have an electrician install a timer either 220 or 110 I have one on my pool pump and that works on 220 . I would also like to mention don't use a GFI outlet and if you use an outdoor outlet make sure it's one of those enclosed type boxes

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ejo3rd said:
Harleyguy,

Would you happen to know if there are any plans to implement a delayed charging mode? It would be nice to plug it in when I got home and then have the car start charging when the rates drop after midnight.
I agree. The Karma knows what time it is and it has control of its on-board charger. The Fisker 115V and 220V chargers have no timer capability.
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Harleyguy said:
I spent a few days this week with two engineers from Fisker they pointed out something I think owners should know concerning charging you Karma .

First off no matter 220 or 110 when you are ready to charge the car wait till the car goes to sleep before you hook up the charger .
If some of you notice when you stop the car and the engine's fan is running and you plug the charger in the fans more then likely keep running and the car won't full charge .

Also another point after the car is finished charging before you open the door remove the charge cord even if you forgot something in the car if the car wakes up during charging there is a good chance you will get a check engine light on .It has too do with the power load to the on board charger to the Hybrid control unit .

If you follow these easy steps you will avoid charging issues
AWESOME!
Wouldn't using a timer cause the problems you told us how to avoid since the car charger would not be energized when It get's plugged in?
 

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ejo3rd said:
Wouldn't using a timer cause the problems you told us how to avoid since the car charger would not be energized when It get's plugged in?
Fisker addressd this in a software update a while ago, either 6.13 or 6.14 that addressed this. Time-delayed chargers (EVSEs), like the Blink, work fine as long as you have the current version of the SW on your car. There are a few threads on this forum that discuss this.

There's been speculation that Fisker will add charge timing progamability to the car at some point in the future as a sw upgrade. All of the charging hardware and circuitry is in the Karma itself, so this would be readily acheivable. Other EVs, such as the Tesla, provide this capability.

In the meantime, if you can take advantage of off-peak rates, you might want to consider a "smart" EVSE like the Blink with the programmability built in. I recall someone else suggested a pool-style timer and the advice was not to do this. I couldn't find the thread in a quick search, but you might want to hunt around.
 

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LonePalmBJ said:
ejo3rd said:
Wouldn't using a timer cause the problems you told us how to avoid since the car charger would not be energized when It get's plugged in?
Fisker addressd this in a software update a while ago, either 6.13 or 6.14 that addressed this. Time-delayed chargers (EVSEs), like the Blink, work fine as long as you have the current version of the SW on your car. There are a few threads on this forum that discuss this.

There's been speculation that Fisker will add charge timing progamability to the car at some point in the future as a sw upgrade. All of the charging hardware and circuitry is in the Karma itself, so this would be readily acheivable. Other EVs, such as the Tesla, provide this capability.

In the meantime, if you can take advantage of off-peak rates, you might want to consider a "smart" EVSE like the Blink with the programmability built in. I recall someone else suggested a pool-style timer and the advice was not to do this. I couldn't find the thread in a quick search, but you might want to hunt around.
I would be very interested to know why a timer is not recommended. I have a 14.4 KW electric system and my electrician installed an industrial timer for my Fisker charger (the kind of timers used on parking lot systems which is a bit over kill). So far I haven't seen any issues or more specifically the issues I am seeing do not seem to be correlated with using a timer on my charger ;)
 

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Charging & Fan Issues

Thanks for the info! I can definitely attest to the first issue.

Last night I got out of the car. Locked it and plugged it in.
The engine fan was still running. I came and checked on it a few hours later and the engine fan was still running!

I unplugged the charger and the engine fan turned off almost immediately. I plugged the charge back in and it continued to charge happily.
Musique,

Here is how I do it: As I pull into my driveway, I tap the OFF button for the Climate control. This turns the A/C off (and the fan) and immediately after parking in my garage I can 'Plug In" with no fan issue. Dealer told me about this 6 months ago.
 

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No idea if there is any plans in the works but I find no reason why you can't have an electrician install a timer either 220 or 110 I have one on my pool pump and that works on 220 . I would also like to mention don't use a GFI outlet and if you use an outdoor outlet make sure it's one of those enclosed type boxes
To take advantage of TOU rates, what about a simple heavy duty wall timer. I have hesitated as the cable on my Plug In cord has a message to "Unplug Karma first, then Power on wall and reverse that for plugging in. The timer would be simply cutting power to the cable. Anyone using this method successfully w/o issues?

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Does anyone know why the karma wont charge at public charging stations? I have plugged it in at chargepoint and other stations, come back 5 hours later and the car is not charged. Whats the deal?
 

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Does anyone know why the karma wont charge at public charging stations? I have plugged it in at chargepoint and other stations, come back 5 hours later and the car is not charged. Whats the deal?
While the car is plugged in and you open the door does the charge icon come up on the display .Does your home charger work ok .
 
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