RE: Huge problem with Karma certifcation in Europe
Wow -- let's hope this report is not true. Dutch, I empathize with your frustration!
Wow -- let's hope this report is not true. Dutch, I empathize with your frustration!
This would be my question. If true, how could they allow such an oversight.Dutch said:How come the Fisker-engineers didn't foresee this problem? The European requirement are well known and it's not like they didn't have cars to test the emission with.
Can you share the long story?brian said:Long story short is that the issue has already been resolved and will not delay sales to the EU.
Amen! Not to mention no news at all about the car's MPG/eMPG rating. Fisker has not even formally announced the issuance of the EPA certificate and we had to get that news through other sources. Of course, once they announce that the EPA has issued the certificate, it becomes very difficult to blame additional delays on the EPA, so you can see how they may not be too anxious to get that news out quickly.brian said:Yeah, it's amazing to me that in mid-October nobody has gotten their car yet. I checked with my dealer today, and they were unable to get any info on my car even tho it was supposedly built 3 weeks ago. No VIN, no completion confirmation, no ship date, no delivery date. I've been trying to hold back my frustration with Fisker for the last 6 months or so - ever since the missed their "spring" delivery promise, but I'm really getting to the short end of my string right now.
Excellent point. The income could be a real issue even today. The half billion they received from Obama is dedicated to Nina. We've heard they raised another half bil from KP and picked up another $30-40 mil a few months back. The four years R&D on a project of this magnitude is exorbitant. Now, they have to buy parts to build 3000 cars by year end. If the cost of parts and labor is $90K or so per unit that's $270 million. I wonder if they have that in the bank or must rely on paying customers. That's why there was so much cynicism from the origin of the company. Automobile manufacturing is not for light weights. I'm optimistic about their chances for successDutch said:Brian, that would be great news. You seem to have a well informed source (if I remember well you were also the first one to know that muffler 3.0 made the sound issue a non-issue, and that turned out to be true). I hope your source is right again.
Fisker really has to start delivering cars to paying customers, because at the moment they have no money coming in and they still have to pay suppliers and Valmet for all the cars that are being built.
These are all good news. One clarification on the EPA certificate, the certificate alone is not sufficient to sell cars to the public, Fisker also needs to have a window sticker with detailed information about consumption, electric range, and emissions. also issued by the EPA. But, in good Fisker style, we have not heard a word from the company about the certificate or the consumption and emissions numbers, and the EPA will not release this information without permission from Fisker. So there's at least one more regulatory obstacle in the US before cars can actually be sold and delivered to individual customers.Dutch said:- Fisker has received the EPA-certificate and in the US cars can now be delivered to customers.