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Hi all from the UK.

I’ve had toy cars for years and my tastes have been getting increasingly expensive as I’ve restored and sold increasingly valuable classics. I’ve always been into the more unusual and rarer cars that generate a significant fan-base on line. I derive enjoyment simply from ownership and DIY maintenance. I’m a mechanical engineer in my day job and electrics hold no particular fear either – though a Karma would be a whole new level even for me! I have a well-stocked garage/workshop and I’m also no stranger to importing cars from the US.

Now with a 10 month-old scuttling around I’m looking for something I can just drive and spend less time maintaining, and in particular enjoy on my 40-mile round-trip daily commute which involves rather more traffic and sub-60mph dawdling than would allow proper enjoyment of my current TVR Cerbera. I also look forward to trips further afield as a family with the little’un, and the Cerbera is just a bit too raw for me with the all-out performance being less important than a comfy seat and modern toys. I must be getting old.

So, as far as I can tell from this forum, with the Karma being relatively young and with a high initial selling price, owners are invariably making use of their dealers and specialists to cure teething troubles – stuff which for the most part I suspect I’d be capable of if I had the support… which is of course where this forum and its regular contributors comes in. I hope.

Am I mad?

One question I’m keen to settle is that with a large number of Karmas sold in NL, does the car have European type approval? This makes UK registration much simpler!

Also, as the car was built in Finland, is it stuffed full of parts-bin components from European manufacturers, or is it predominantly US-sourced?

Thanks for reading

Martin
 

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Welcome!

There's lots of great information in these forums. Look around, expecially at the Buyer's Checklist threads.

Yes, the care was certified for EU deliveries and there are quite a few European owners on the boards here. It should be noted, however, that the Karma did not come in a right-hand drive version so UK registration could be trickier

While final assembly was in Finland the car was sourced more than 50% from North America, including the ICE engine mechanical and some of the parts bin stuff like stalks and steering wheels. There isn't an overwhelming amount of European parts that I'm aware of, but like any modern car the components come from a truly global supply chain.
 

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Thanks very much for your reply. I've spent some time digging into much of the forum ;)

UK registration is actually pretty simple, especially if the car has received European type approval. With a certificate of conformity, all it needs is an MOT which is the annual safety test for all cars over 3 years old. The only sticky points for a US spec car are are the headlights for left-hand traffic (modern projectors usually have a way of switching them eg by using an alternate set of screw holes) and rear foglights. These are also required in Europe so assume there's a specific software variant which enables the appropriate function in the rear lights (though I wouldn't want the speedo and odometer in km - the UK still works in Miles!).

Are the speedometer display units selectable, or are they market-specific?
 

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@Motivational Thinker - I am not sure if you are thinking about buying a used Karma from Europe and shipping it to the UK. To be safe, I think you should contact @KARMANEWS from the New Fisker and confirm what is or isn't allowed. There have been other threads about users importing vehicles into Europe from the US and Fisker considers those vehicles "gray market" from a warranty/CSP perspective. Good luck however, it's a great car!
 

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The units are indeed selectable (though it's one big switch, I can't get degrees C without also getting km/h, range in km, etc).
That's a pain. The UK is funny in this regard - or I like to think of it as a pragmatic approach. It made sense to align with the rest of the world on stuff that mattered - but beer and milk is still bought in pints, speed limits are in mph, odometers count in miles, economy quoted in mpg, but fuel is sold by the litre. Go figure...

Farenheit is a dumb measure of temperature that was out of date in the 19th century! Still, I could probably cope..... :dodgy:

@Motivational Thinker - I am not sure if you are thinking about buying a used Karma from Europe and shipping it to the UK. To be safe, I think you should contact @KARMANEWS from the New Fisker and confirm what is or isn't allowed. There have been other threads about users importing vehicles into Europe from the US and Fisker considers those vehicles "gray market" from a warranty/CSP perspective. Good luck however, it's a great car!
Thanks for your input. As per my original post, I would hope to do the majority of work on the car myself as there's no support available in the UK anyway - but I will be sure to get in touch with the powers that be and see what they say as one or two were sold here by an official third party. Price-wise it makes far more sense to import from the US. Even with the tax bill and shipping there's still a clear $10k difference in price. Also the European cars seem to have much higher mileages, and there're fewer to choose from.

Just to clarify - I'm going to be lurking for a year or so before I buy. I have a project I'm working on currently that represents my budget once it's sold.

I like unusual cars, and having recently had a Model S for a couple of days, I've been bitten by the electric bug. I also want a car that is a nice place to be in - the model S isn't.
 

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It's even worse than that: UK "miles per gallon" uses imperial gallons, which are 1.2 US gallons! :D

(This is why the same car, if sold in the States and the UK, gets better "mileage" in the UK. Well, most of why, there's all those other fiddly items as well.)
 

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Farenheit is a dumb measure of temperature that was out of date in the 19th century! Still, I could probably cope..... :dodgy:
The nice thing about Fahrenheit is that each degree is about .5 degrees in Celsius. So, you don't have to say: It's 16.5 degrees outside. I'm from Norway and we often will add the .5 when talking temp. Never heard anybody from the U.S. or U.K. say it's 86.5 degrees outside.
 

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The units are indeed selectable (though it's one big switch, I can't get degrees C without also getting km/h, range in km, etc).

I can geht F by tapping/holding on the C (middle on the AC)
In this case, km will not change to miles.
 

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@Motivational Thinker - self service is not something we've heard many owners do, especially for more complex issues with the Katma. @PowerSource is obviously a key exception to this comment.

I would just caution you on that unless you have experience working with HV batteries. I'm sure @FiskerPhilly and @Harleyguy could tell you some scary stories about working with the battery pack.

Hopefully, New Fisker is thinking about a presence in the UK as they relaunch sales and service around the globe.
 

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I've never worked with HVDC before but fully understand the perils in theory, thigh specific guidance on the Karma would be welcome.

By way of example, a scenario that bothers me is needing to replace one cell which seems a fairly common occurrence. It sounds like an easy enough job but would anyone sell me the parts and tell me how?
 

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I can get F by tapping/holding on the C (middle on the AC) In this case, km will not change to miles.
I tested this out and the toggle works fine here too. (I did not check to see if changing the master setting in "settings" retains this inversion, or overwrites it, though.)
 

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Thanks CT.

Are there any European owners reading this who can tell me how the rear foglight is achieved on your Karma? Is it part of the rear lights as standard? Are you able to switch to miles and MPH?

(I'm thinking that there's a european software version that allows for the foglight but would default to km you see...)
 

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Thanks CT.

Are there any European owners reading this who can tell me how the rear foglight is achieved on your Karma? Is it part of the rear lights as standard? Are you able to switch to miles and MPH?

(I'm thinking that there's a european software version that allows for the foglight but would default to km you see...)
The rear fog light is standard in the US Versions as well. It is not affected by the settings.
 
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