[Dutch]

Without any topics this subforum had the ominous date 'never'. As we all hope to be driving our Karma's eventually (and soon if possible), I thought I'd open a topic just to get rid of the 'never'...

 

[Wimbledon]

Good call, Dutch. :thumbup:

 

[Shane]

My Fisker Karma was schedule to be built on September 28 with an early November delivery. Today I received an email that said:
"Thank you for being a part of the Fisker Automotive family. Your Karma should be available for delivery no later then the first of Feburay. If you have any questions, please contact our office. Thank you for your business."

 

[SoCalGuy]

I just thought of this and it made me laugh - Fisker Karma, nEVer.

 

[brian]

Hah! Good one!

 

[ebarneyr]

Just saw this in GreenTech:"But Fisker has struggled to deliver its first car, the high-end hybrid Karma sports car, with only about 40 cars delivered to date. Earth2Tech reported that A123 said Fisker is now looking to delay full-scale Karma production until mid-2012 -- despite the fact that it’s raised close to $700 million, most recently with a $58 million tranche of a $150 million “pre-IPO” round." Anybody know if this is so and what it means for those of us deposit holders?

 

[AnOutsider]

Sounds like fisker will be rolling out with Tesla

 

[ct-fiskerbuzz]

Just saw this in GreenTech:"But Fisker has struggled to deliver its first car, the high-end hybrid Karma sports car, with only about 40 cars delivered to date. Earth2Tech reported that A123 said Fisker is now looking to delay full-scale Karma production until mid-2012 -- despite the fact that it’s raised close to $700 million, most recently with a $58 million tranche of a $150 million “pre-IPO” round." Anybody know if this is so and what it means for those of us deposit holders?

Ray Lane claimed that Fisker were on target for a "full" production run in 2012, but then later he or someone official adjusted this slightly to say that "full production" meant 10 to 12 thousand.

If we assume that the "normal" rate is roughly 300 vehicles a week (300 x 50 = 15,000), and assume that 300/wk is how fast they will come out of the factory in Uusikaupunki, that gives roughly 33 to 40 weeks of production in 2012, which gives them the first quarter of 2012 to run at very low rates while working out yet more bugs.

If we further assume that Fisker have enough A123 packs on hand to run at full production rate for Q4 and Q1 of Calendar Years 2011 and 2012, that means they won't start ordering new packs until mid-Q2, which to A123 looks like "full production starts in 2012Q3".

There is an awful lot of "assume"-ing above, and you know what they say about "when you assume", but it does fit together reasonably well.

 

[Dutch]

Sounds like fisker will be rolling out with Tesla

Assuming everything with Tesla will go as smoothly as planned

By the way, they were already working on the Model S (Whitestar) in 2006 and is was then planned for release in 2008...

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[ct-fiskerbuzz]

By the way, they (Tesla) were already working on the Model S (Whitestar) in 2006 and is was then planned for release in 2008...

Indeed, one could say it's already almost four years behind. Of course the Karma was originally supposed to be out in (late) 2009.

 

[AnOutsider]

Sounds like fisker will be rolling out with Tesla

Assuming everything with Tesla will go as smoothly as planned

By the way, they were already working on the Model S (Whitestar) in 2006 and is was then planned for release in 2008...

The comment wasn't meant to start a fanboy war, but I know I didn't see the S until spring 2009, and that's when I placed my order (actually, I think the design was restarted in fall 2008 because of the falling out with fisker). At that time I did hope to have it in late 2011 though, so there is a slip there, though I don't remember if that was a hard date or my expectation.

If you want to compare that to Fisker, they've been claiming start of deliveries since April and did a mock delivery in July whilst the car wasn't legally available for sale until the fall. I do hope their date doesn't slip though. Tesla is a public company and their stock couldn't survive slippage on par with what's being seen here.

 

[Dutch]

I didn't want to start a fanboy war either, and my comment wasn't meant to sound harsh. The more electric cars, the better. I like Tesla as a company - more actually that the ivory tower Fisker Automotive - and love the concept of the Model S.

My brother wants to order a Model S (but wants to wait for a test drive next year), so we will probably have a Karma and Model S side by side in front of our company. Actually, the third brother in our company ordered an Opel Ampera, which has already been built at the Volt-factory in Michigan and will be deliverd at the end of December (he ordered it a few months ago, and I'm afraid he'll be driving sooner than me, even though I ordered the Karma almost 4 years ago).

So that's three different electric cars side by side. They will al be charged from our 11.000 Wp solar panels.