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I'm going down the path of converting a Karma into a coupe. I own an Inferno and was looking to purchase a black Karma and complete the conversion. It is going to run me about $38k. Wanted to ask: is there any interest out there in having a Coupe? If there were 4 or 5 others, the cost goes down obviously.

I "may" do a second stage conversion after the coupe and make it a drop top, replicating the Sunset; to do a hardtop will be about $200k in engineering and fabrication to go that route, plus another $30k for the chop shop work itself, so may begin with a soft top however unless I can gain some funding for mass conversion opportunity.

Let me know if anyone out there has thought about going the route of a coupe!
 

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I have always been interested in having a convertible Karma (or Sunset), but I am not sure how could convert a Karma into a coupe. Would that involve shortening the car's wheel base? A 2-door Karma with the same wheel base would look out of proportion, IMHO, but maybe I am missing the picture.
 

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I'm going down the path of converting a Karma into a coupe. I own an Inferno and was looking to purchase a black Karma and complete the conversion. It is going to run me about $38k. Wanted to ask: is there any interest out there in having a Coupe? If there were 4 or 5 others, the cost goes down obviously.

I "may" do a second stage conversion after the coupe and make it a drop top, replicating the Sunset; to do a hardtop will be about $200k in engineering and fabrication to go that route, plus another $30k for the chop shop work itself, so may begin with a soft top however unless I can gain some funding for mass conversion opportunity.

Let me know if anyone out there has thought about going the route of a coupe!
i always felt given the dimension and lack of room in the rear, a coupe was the better choice for the KARMA - i sent a note to Henrik to suggest the same. The current 4 door karma makes no sense given the limited space. A 2+2 like the maserati grandtorismo was the better way to go -- interested to see what you come up with.
 

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I have always been interested in having a convertible Karma (or Sunset), but I am not sure how could convert a Karma into a coupe. Would that involve shortening the car's wheel base? A 2-door Karma with the same wheel base would look out of proportion, IMHO, but maybe I am missing the picture.
I'll have a preliminary mock-up soon in photo form. I really want to do this right if moving forward and one of my concerns was actually the wheelbase being too long. After viewing the Buick Avista concept however (that will also never go into direct production), the profile inspired me. The lengthier wheelbase if having the doors scoop back another 30 to 34 percent may actually set it off--would be pretty dramatic. Conceptually, I may explore having a inverted bowed door with a slightly aggressive bottom line that coincides with some of the diamond elements of the car (a la the Acura Precision concept car doors, but softer): http://www.automobilemag.com/news/the-acura-precision-concept-shows-acura-hasnt-given-up-on-design/


Will share on this thread when drafted to gain some thoughts, then refine a bit.
 

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Coupe concept:

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This is a quick rendering--engineer will be doing a professional rendering with multiple views. I think the wheelbase works well with the lines, makes an already beautiful vehicle look a fair amount more aggressive. Looks like work will be closer to $42k for a prototype but believe I will be biting the bullet and utilize it as a showpiece at minimum. Maybe for giggles, I drive into KA headquarters and park for a day...

Of course, if anyone is interested, pm me.
 

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This looks stunning!

2 questions:
Doesn't Karma need a B pillar?
If the doors are that long, what is the expected space in a parking lot?
 

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This looks stunning!

2 questions:
Doesn't Karma need a B pillar?
If the doors are that long, what is the expected space in a parking lot?
Working through some of this still with engineering. In its simplest form, it requires a B pillar to C pillar conversion obviously to stretch the doors. Flirting with the appropriate execution to gain an alike aesthetic result. The Karma is so long hat I do think this just looks gorgeous which is why I am pursuing this. Parking lot space--the engineer has actually recommended looking at suicide doors--I think that takes away the elegance though. Clearance with a door that length will be more challenging, but I'm not parking my existing Karma in a compact spot ina parking garage or anyplace where I'm wedging out from my door now, so that much I'd just cope with...and smile every time I walk up to the thing!

KA doesn't appear to be terribly progressive yet, but I'd love to have them see this executed, gain an audience and look at producing cars that are similar but different enough to capture new buyers. A Sunset, a Coupe, the Surf--I'm surprised with all that investment they didn't have a car that was a differentiator to the space? A coupe with 100 mile battery life as a hybrid--it pulls a Tesla driver over and I'd venture to guess this design would be working against a new LC500 Hybrid. Right now, the Revero is just a Karma. His rendering here is a sexier Jag XK gone electric.
 

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The engineer was a step ahead on B pillar use--let me introduce you to the Karma Coupe. Should be getting underway in June with a delivery at end of August.


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you should send it to Henrick -- In pervious time I had indicated the Karma would of been better served as a coupe given the rear seats , specifically the under the drive front seat -- no room what so ever and very cramped - unless your a kid -- hence a coupe 2+2 like you picture is the best application of the Karma footprint. now if you can only move the muffler pipes from the front to the rear and insulate the engine wall with an updated infotainment system -- you can sell your own version of the KARMA ;-)
 

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you should send it to Henrick -- In pervious time I had indicated the Karma would of been better served as a coupe given the rear seats , specifically the under the drive front seat -- no room what so ever and very cramped - unless your a kid -- hence a coupe 2+2 like you picture is the best application of the Karma footprint. now if you can only move the muffler pipes from the front to the rear and insulate the engine wall with an updated infotainment system -- you can sell your own version of the KARMA ;-)
Truthfully, if I can get the design worked out to do so, my thought is to actually buy some inventory and do a few of these. I already spoke to the engineer about moving the muffler location ;). Infotainment: looks like PowerSource has that one handled, but yeah--I agree. The Eclipse prototype I'll be doing, if I do a few should that turn out as I expect, I'll actually be using that one a second time and converting into a convertible (a-la-Sunset). Will keep all posted. PM me Henrick's email and I'll shoot him a pic lol.
 

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Truthfully, if I can get the design worked out to do so, my thought is to actually buy some inventory and do a few of these. I already spoke to the engineer about moving the muffler location ;). Infotainment: looks like PowerSource has that one handled, but yeah--I agree. The Eclipse prototype I'll be doing, if I do a few should that turn out as I expect, I'll actually be using that one a second time and converting into a convertible (a-la-Sunset). Will keep all posted. PM me Henrick's email and I'll shoot him a pic lol.
Henrik is on Facebbok (@henrikfiskerofficial) and Twitter and Instagram (@fiskerofficial).
 

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Truthfully, if I can get the design worked out to do so, my thought is to actually buy some inventory and do a few of these. I already spoke to the engineer about moving the muffler location ;). Infotainment: looks like PowerSource has that one handled, but yeah--I agree. The Eclipse prototype I'll be doing, if I do a few should that turn out as I expect, I'll actually be using that one a second time and converting into a convertible (a-la-Sunset). Will keep all posted. PM me Henrick's email and I'll shoot him a pic lol.
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you should send it to Henrick -- In pervious time I had indicated the Karma would of been better served as a coupe given the rear seats , specifically the under the drive front seat -- no room what so ever and very cramped - unless your a kid -- hence a coupe 2+2 like you picture is the best application of the Karma footprint. now if you can only move the muffler pipes from the front to the rear and insulate the engine wall with an updated infotainment system -- you can sell your own version of the KARMA ;-)

How would a coupe give more foot space for the back seats?
I don't see this...

I don't expect a stretched design...
 

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Truthfully, if I can get the design worked out to do so, my thought is to actually buy some inventory and do a few of these. I already spoke to the engineer about moving the muffler location ;). Infotainment: looks like PowerSource has that one handled, but yeah--I agree. The Eclipse prototype I'll be doing, if I do a few should that turn out as I expect, I'll actually be using that one a second time and converting into a convertible (a-la-Sunset). Will keep all posted. PM me Henrick's email and I'll shoot him a pic lol.
Have you considered doing a scissor door hinge? May be a little easier to open that huge door that way in a tight parking space. May not be feasible, just wondering.
 

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you should send it to Henrick -- In pervious time I had indicated the Karma would of been better served as a coupe given the rear seats , specifically the under the drive front seat -- no room what so ever and very cramped - unless your a kid -- hence a coupe 2+2 like you picture is the best application of the Karma footprint. now if you can only move the muffler pipes from the front to the rear and insulate the engine wall with an updated infotainment system -- you can sell your own version of the KARMA ;-)

How would a coupe give more foot space for the back seats?
I don't see this...

I don't expect a stretched design...
Yeah--won't change any interior space/foot room. I'm inclined to believe he just meant expectation as a 2+2 coupe is more forgiving in regards to space rather than a four door sedan?
 

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Truthfully, if I can get the design worked out to do so, my thought is to actually buy some inventory and do a few of these. I already spoke to the engineer about moving the muffler location
. Infotainment: looks like PowerSource has that one handled, but yeah--I agree. The Eclipse prototype I'll be doing, if I do a few should that turn out as I expect, I'll actually be using that one a second time and converting into a convertible (a-la-Sunset). Will keep all posted. PM me Henrick's email and I'll shoot him a pic lol.
Have you considered doing a scissor door hinge? May be a little easier to open that huge door that way in a tight parking space. May not be feasible, just wondering.
Thanks--I am flying out to meet with the engineer in two weeks to discuss more of these things in person. Scissor door hinge could be good. Much appreciated! Will keep updated.
 
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