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tomorrow is the end of the month. henrik said that he expected the epa certificate before the end of september.
what are the odds that the epa delivers tomorrow?
what are the odds that the epa delivers tomorrow?
epa certificate?
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so once again fisker overpromise and underdeliver....nice!
I heard today that in Europe the certification process is expected to take three more weeks. The first cars could then be delivered at the end of October.
These cars will have muffler 2.0. Cars being produced from mid-November will be fitted with version 3.0. All earlier cars will have this version retrofitted after delivery.
These cars will have muffler 2.0. Cars being produced from mid-November will be fitted with version 3.0. All earlier cars will have this version retrofitted after delivery.
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Imagine if you set this many misguided expectations in your line of business? 
It's no big deal though. The quote of the day on my test drive day was, "No worries. If you don't want it, someone else will..." (not spoken directly to me...)
It's no big deal though. The quote of the day on my test drive day was, "No worries. If you don't want it, someone else will..." (not spoken directly to me...)
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I don't think Fisker has ever overdelivered on anything. Ever. That is quite frustrating. It's as though Fisker distilled all that is wrong with Detroit and wrapped it in a startup's package. As big a fan as I am of the Karma, I really do feel like Fisker at the top is mismanaged. Tesla, for all its historic woes, does seem to be the more "dot com" version of a car company. Great communication with potential buyers. Informative website. Open communication and meaningful blogs/videos posted periodically. The Model S may not be as sexy, but I feel more confident about its backers than Fisker.Fabulist said:
I think management at Fisker needs to watch a few old Star Trek reruns and get some training from Scotty: "It'll take 2 hours, Captain!"... and then it's done in one. They seem to have that backwards.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs-ANd7ZncQ&feature=related
-Brian
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs-ANd7ZncQ&feature=related
-Brian
Spot on.SoCalGuy said:
Fisker has done some important things right:
- It has developed a beautiful, state-of-the-art, electric car that drives extremely well (it just underestimated how long it would take).
- It has collected a lot of money from investors and a government loan.
- It has grabbed a lot of media attention (with Two and a half men as a perfect example).
- It has established a large dealer base.
And what it has done wrong:
- It has completely failed at communicating with its customers. The newsletters contained no news, were very irregular and have now even ceased completely. The website has, despite many updates, never been very informative and has never delivered what was promised (like the best configurator ever).
- It continues to hide behind the dealers when it comes to giving out information about production dates, delivery dates and the reasons for all the delays. And those dealers are often also kept in the dark. Result: we still don't know when we will get the cars.
- It has made no offer to compensate its customers for the huge delays and the technical problems they can expect (for example: the first few hundred cars will not have the silent muffler yet, and they will probably also need software updates). McLaren is experiencing exactly the same problems with the MP4-12C now: delivery delays and technical problems, and it has offered its customers € 5800 ($7800) plus options as compensation. Although that is a bit hefty, what Fisker could do for example is not charge us for the exterior color (or interior color). I am running a company myself and I compensate my customers if I their delivery is delayed by more than a week. Can't Fisker do the same after 2 years of delays?
This would also show that Fisker appreciates its customers, more than any model car and drawing will show. I do not think Fisker realizes (at least, they don't show they do) how important the first 1500 or so deposit holders have been for the success of the company. Without their deposits, for a car they had never driven, investors probably would not have invested hundreds of millions in Fisker and the company probably would not have made it through the crisis of 2009.
David Harris, I would appreciate a reaction from Fisker Automotive.
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I heard this from my dealer (Fisker Silicon Valley) today:
All the dealer demos are on a vessel coming from europe, we are expecting ours to arrive end of this month. The Signature series cars have been built and are getting shipped any day now, deliveries around mid-next month.
We will receive another update later this week, we will be in touch.
All the dealer demos are on a vessel coming from europe, we are expecting ours to arrive end of this month. The Signature series cars have been built and are getting shipped any day now, deliveries around mid-next month.
We will receive another update later this week, we will be in touch.
My dealer, Fisker of Huntsville, part of thre Century Automotive Group had a meeting with a Fisker rep last Wednesday. He stated that the cars have been in the US for some time. That they have been recently refitted with Muffler 3.0 and are awaiting the software download/upgrade, while waiting for the EPA certificate. This is welcomed news if it turns out to be true, so that I don't have to return to the deal for an upgrade of my Signature Edition.
My dealer, Fisker of Huntsville, part of the Century Automotive Group had a meeting with a Fisker rep last Wednesday. He stated that the cars have been in the US for some time. That they have been recently refitted with Muffler 3.0 and are awaiting the software download/upgrade, while waiting for the EPA certificate. This is welcomed news if it turns out to be true, so that I don't have to return to the deal for an upgrade of my Signature Edition.[hr]
Pop Mech has EPA stats? http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/reviews/drives/2012-fisker-karma-test-drive?src=rss
33/39 city/highway, and 85 mpge with a 50 mile range.
Pop Mech has EPA stats? http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/reviews/drives/2012-fisker-karma-test-drive?src=rss
33/39 city/highway, and 85 mpge with a 50 mile range.
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I don't think Fisker has ever overdelivered on anything. Ever. That is quite frustrating. It's as though Fisker distilled all that is wrong with Detroit and wrapped it in a startup's package. As big a fan as I am of the Karma, I really do feel like Fisker at the top is mismanaged. Tesla, for all its historic woes, does seem to be the more "dot com" version of a car company. Great communication with potential buyers. Informative website. Open communication and meaningful blogs/videos posted periodically. The Model S may not be as sexy, but I feel more confident about its backers than Fisker.
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SoCalGuy,
I think you are overly harsh on the "never overdelivered" talk. Fisker's ONLY under-delivered promises are timing and cost. Both those items were impacted greatly by the economic issues of 2009 and 2010. They haven't dumbed down the car, they haven't stepped back from performance, they haven't dropped the battery power or range, they didn't change the look of the car to fit safety rules, etc. The reason they did not fail on these key promises was because they knew what they were doing from the start. I agree that Tesla now has a good website and good stores, but they have a 2-year headstart on Fisker, but Fisker will STILL beat them to market with a 4-door car that people want to drive (as opposed to a proof of concept vehicle like the Tesla Roadster). To say you are more confident about Tesla's backers would indicate to me you haven't met the backers or management of both companies, or you are not being honest with yourself about the difficulty of being a "start up" auto company. If you had actually met the management of Fisker, you would likely have more confidence in Fisker than you now indicate. Both Fisker and Tesla are good companies, both will succeed, in my view, and it is not an "either-or" decision.
I don't think Fisker has ever overdelivered on anything. Ever. That is quite frustrating. It's as though Fisker distilled all that is wrong with Detroit and wrapped it in a startup's package. As big a fan as I am of the Karma, I really do feel like Fisker at the top is mismanaged. Tesla, for all its historic woes, does seem to be the more "dot com" version of a car company. Great communication with potential buyers. Informative website. Open communication and meaningful blogs/videos posted periodically. The Model S may not be as sexy, but I feel more confident about its backers than Fisker.
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SoCalGuy,
I think you are overly harsh on the "never overdelivered" talk. Fisker's ONLY under-delivered promises are timing and cost. Both those items were impacted greatly by the economic issues of 2009 and 2010. They haven't dumbed down the car, they haven't stepped back from performance, they haven't dropped the battery power or range, they didn't change the look of the car to fit safety rules, etc. The reason they did not fail on these key promises was because they knew what they were doing from the start. I agree that Tesla now has a good website and good stores, but they have a 2-year headstart on Fisker, but Fisker will STILL beat them to market with a 4-door car that people want to drive (as opposed to a proof of concept vehicle like the Tesla Roadster). To say you are more confident about Tesla's backers would indicate to me you haven't met the backers or management of both companies, or you are not being honest with yourself about the difficulty of being a "start up" auto company. If you had actually met the management of Fisker, you would likely have more confidence in Fisker than you now indicate. Both Fisker and Tesla are good companies, both will succeed, in my view, and it is not an "either-or" decision.
Actually, do be fair, I think Fisker *did* drop the battery power. Wasn't it originally 22.6kw and now it's 20kw?
Plus, until we see the EPA numbers we won't actually know if the range that Fisker has been promoting are true. For all we know the EPA sticker will say it only has a 30 mile battery range (probably not, but I'm just sayin').
-Brian
Plus, until we see the EPA numbers we won't actually know if the range that Fisker has been promoting are true. For all we know the EPA sticker will say it only has a 30 mile battery range (probably not, but I'm just sayin').
-Brian
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