[mungge]

After reading the following article: http://www.greenoptimistic.com/2012/11/18/fiat-500-twinair-efficient-ice/, I realized that the new partner of Fisker will be Chrysler / Fiat as many have predicted earler already. Good article: http://insideevs.com/exclusive-fisk...car-to-take-on-chevrolet-volt-general-motors/

The Fisker story cld continue as follows:
- In Dec / Jan, Fisker will announce partnership with Chrysler / Fiat who will invest about USD 100MN+ in Fisker to progress on the Atlantic project (get started by equiping the Delaware factory, etc).
- At the same time, Chrysler / Fiat will help Fisker to source components for the Atlantic which will help Fisker to lower its cash drag
- Around the same time, Fisker will also announce that Chrysler / Fiat will be the chosen partner to produce the third entry level Fisker car on the so-called P-Platform (read article). Here, combining the Fisker technology with the world's most efficient ICE ("twinair") will blow everybody's mind...consumers will now have the best looking car with the world's best EPA rating (I guess we might see 150+MPG)...and this at a reasonable price. This will produce a shock-wave going through the entire car industry. Currently, Chrysler / Fiat is seen as the dog in the car industry as they only invested in more efficient ICE and not EV / Hybrids...combining now their achievements with Fisker's technology will put he two at the top!!!
- Mid 2013, IPO of Fisker will take place...to finance the last leg to get the Atlantic through the door. Fisker might also delay the P Platform announcement with Chrysler / Fiat right before the IPO in order to get most out of this news...
- 2H-2013 and 2014 will be to perfect the Karma, branding, preparation for the launch of the Atlantic and the new P Platform vehicle

Does this make sense?

 

[Fabulist]

Interesting deduction. One possible challenge is that the most powerful Twin Air engine (the one fitted to the 2013 Fiat 500 Turbo) maxes out at 135 BHP or 100KW, which is half what the Karma gets from the Ecotec LNF engine. Unless Fisker plans on putting the Atlantic on a severe Atkins diet, (or Fiat can wring out another 100 HP out of it) that engine will not be anywhere powerful enough to give the Atlantic any sort of performance.

 

[mungge]

Interesting deduction. One possible challenge is that the most powerful Twin Air engine (the one fitted to the 2013 Fiat 500 Turbo) maxes out at 135 BHP or 100KW, which is half what the Karma gets from the Ecotec LNF engine. Unless Fisker plans on putting the Atlantic on a severe Atkins diet, (or Fiat can wring out another 100 HP out of it) that engine will not be anywhere powerful enough to give the Atlantic any sort of performance.

Thanks for your thoughts. Agree, not enough power for the Atlantic...Fisker will stick to the BMW engine as recently reiterated on few occasions. I was rather thinking for the new "P Platform" (that could go live in 2015/2016 subject to Fisker having found the right strategic partner) that will produce Fisker's entry level car (cheaper than Atlantic...prob around USD 40K) to compete against the many HV, PHEV, and EV in those segments...such as Volt, Coda, new hybrid Ford, etc.

 

[scottf200]

Related thread:
http://www.fiskerbuzz.com/forums/14-fisker-lounge/1753-fisker-chrysler.html

 

[mungge]

Related thread:
http://www.fiskerbuzz.com/forums/14-fisker-lounge/1753-fisker-chrysler.html

Thanks. Did not read that thread. Spot on...next 6-9mts will be very exciting period for Fisker and all stakeholders with many interesting news hitting the wires.

 

[SoCalGuy]

Interesting deduction. One possible challenge is that the most powerful Twin Air engine (the one fitted to the 2013 Fiat 500 Turbo) maxes out at 135 BHP or 100KW, which is half what the Karma gets from the Ecotec LNF engine. Unless Fisker plans on putting the Atlantic on a severe Atkins diet, (or Fiat can wring out another 100 HP out of it) that engine will not be anywhere powerful enough to give the Atlantic any sort of performance.

While the Ecotec is rated up to 260hp, there was a Fisker press release (I think right around the Texas fire incident) in which Fisker said that the peak power draw from the engine was more like 170hp, so theoretically, the Twinair could work if Fisker could lower the weight of the Karma by a few hundred pounds or if Fisker borrowed more power from the battery during initial acceleration events (remember, A123 batteries can draw peak power at 50C, compared to say, the 18650s used in the Model S which peak at 5C or so).

http://media.fiskerautomotive.com/g...=fisker-statement-regarding-karma-engineering

" In the Karma application the engine is never required to operate beyond 3500 RPM with a maximum output capability of 128 kW at this operating point. Well below the rated power of this engine with a maximum output power of 194 kW."

 

[smoothoperator]

Thanks. Did not read that thread. Spot on...next 6-9mts will be very exciting period for Fisker and all stakeholders with many interesting news hitting the wires.

The Atlantic needs to have 100+ miles of range plus the generator. This tech would almost guarantee success at the targeted price point.

 

[scottf200]

The Atlantic needs to have 100+ miles of range plus the generator. This tech would almost guarantee success at the targeted price point.

That would make the battery cost uncessarily jack up the price of the car by ~$10K. 50+ would be a great mid point as it would handle the winter blues (lower EV miles).

Look at where the daily averages fall for Volt folks in the voltstats.net link below. This fits in with the studies on why 40 miles fits 78% of the users.

http://www.voltstats.net/#dailyTab

above via: http://www.bts.gov/publications/omnistats/volume_03_issue_04/pdf/entire.pdf

 

[Sigurd]

Scottf200, I love your graphs. Real data is always preferred over conjecture.

 

[dennis]

Scottf200, I love your graphs. Real data is always preferred over conjecture.

+1 :exclamation:

 

[scottf200]

Is this forum acting wierd or is it just me. I can not edit my previous post and the voltstats.net image disappeared.

Look at where the daily averages fall for Volt folks in the voltstats.net link below. This fits in with the studies on why 40 miles fits 78% of the users.

http://www.voltstats.net/#dailyTab