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Agree: 77, 333, 1116, 1958, 495 and many others I am forgetting but will add them later

 

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I understand the CIU and driver display hardware is different between the Revero and Karma. I am curious why replacing the display and CIU in the Karma with the new hardware from the Revero is not possible. I am assuming the Revero software could be adapted to run on the Karma, or are the 2 cars really that different? I was always under the impression that the reason the Revero was re-launched so quickly was because nothing dramatically changed between the 2 cars, allowing the original certification to apply to the Revero?

my guess is $$$$ that Karma does not want to spend... But you are right, it will work.

Their claim is that whole vehicle certification is done with a specific configuration which involved the CIU as a core component of that certification. So in essence their claim is they will have to re-certify the 2012 cars with the new CIU. I don't agree with that conclusion but it seems to be the case from their correspondence above.

 

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Thanks @PowerSource. It doesn't make sense to me that you can change the display and CIU on the Revero and not require a re-certification....but if you change the display and CIU on the Karma, it does require a re-certification? I guess that is the million dollar rhetorical question, and one that will never get answered. Too bad because I think some Karma owners would pay to retrofit their Karmas with the new technology from the Revero.

Well the vehicle is certified as a whole is the take I got from the posted correspondence. Meaning that all the components are certified as in one vehicle and a removal/replacement of any component will trigger a re-certification. At least that is my understanding of their comment.

My opinion, is that replacement infotainment units have existed for some time and many of the major players have ventured in this space (see Alpine with their offerings for OEM products that retain vehicle functionality for key functions). There is no doubt that the Revero system can work in the 2012 Fisker Karma. From their correspondence it seems as if it will require additional resources that Karma is apparently unwilling to allocate for that project. Could have it wrong, but that is my take-away.

 

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Here is the reason Joost gave me way they would never do it. He said something as follows:

Let's say we did allow this and you update the car software. Well now you sell it to a new owner. He didn't ok this 3rd party software and something goes wrong with the car or causes an accident. They could sue Karma as liable for ok'ing the 3rd party use. He said it opens the door to issues and liabilty they don't want. He said at some point we have to say ok, we gave you the 535 update and now is time to upgrade the car to the new Revero if you want more.

He was very nice about it and believes they are doing right. He did say there is no one named Julian at Powersource and said his real name to me. He said he was bypassing things on the car that they don't understand with the TOM and he didn't have anything positive to say about them. He didn't bash @PowerSource, he was polite yet stern on the fact that one should be careful when modifying the Fisker. He said he has over 87K on his Fisker and loves it, but it's time now for the Revero...the car that should have been released by Fisker.

It is extremely disappointing that Karma is going out of their way to make false statements about our products and company. Karma is not associated with our company and it is in poor taste for them to comment falsely on our personnel and products. Pathetic.

I guess it doesn't help that we have a judgement against them and they have tried to bring frivolous lawsuit after frivolous lawsuit against us. I bet he didn't mention that part during your conversation.

 

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With all this being said, why does Karma Automotive continuously bash us, publicly? Hard to let that go when we have not done anything wrong or in conflict. I cannot agree with the goodwill part, in whole. Looking at the multitude of issues that the new software has caused (many forum posts). I.e. BL530 removing battery balancing and 535 causing blinking ready lights, which require hard resets etc. There are many many forum posts which outline these issues.

We have spent hundreds of thousands in litigation with Karma and now finally have a judgement for many hundreds of thousands against them. Perspective is a h_e_l_l of a thing!

 

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mmm I would imagine KA says let no good deed go "unpunished". They didn't have to give us 535, or anything. If they just let the court ordered warranty prevail, found new dealers, and moved to their new car production while leaving the Fisker owners behind, they would have not been litigated by PS. I expect they will learn from that lesson. Expect NOTHING more for Fisker Owner. Way to go PS. You may have won..... we may have lost.

The reason 540 did not come out was because KA claimed they couldn't get the suppliers on-board. Read the multitude of posts where "KARMANEWS" claims that they do not have the resources to do as such.

With regards to the litigation that has nothing to do with anything. If a company sues us we will protect ourselves and vice versa. That is pretty basic.

I would like to see what source you point to that shows that there is any correlation- or perhaps it is something you are being fed by someone else? Look at your previous posts, they have time and time again insulted us for no good reason. I just don't get why you have a hard on for us?

 

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Our intention is that any further negotiation with Karma will include a provision that this CIU software is released into the open source. It does not do anybody any good for it to be locked away in some safe where owners suffer with buggy CIU's. Karma has abandoned the 2012 CIU and the owners should have a right to fix the egregious bugs that reside within this subsystem.

Enough is enough, it is time for us owners to take control of our destiny; rather than leave it in the hands of Karma.

All owners deserve a functional CIU, free of charge. That is what we all paid for when we bought the car.

 

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U have my support, let me know how to participate !

Best thing you can do or any owner is to keep giving feedback to your dealer and the manufacturer directly. It is not right for them to do this.

Also we are banned from the official forum but I heard that Karma claims they are having legal conversations with us. There are no legal conversations, that is a lie. At this point we have a minute order against Karma. They sued us in federal court to try to put pressure on us. That obviously did not work. Now they are making up lies about legal conversations. The only communication I am aware of is a frivolous lawsuit that they filed.

 

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I have been vocal and even though I supported their efforts - long conversation with jim and minimal with joast ( he seemed very sly to me) - i even put my two cents in a video they asked me to do whixh they never aired- given their action since 535 , i see their actions as abandonment and i signed the patition both on this boatd and on the karmaitomotive site - i hope their ceo and jim talor have more say - they both seemed level headed! Lets hope they reconsider, otherwise they can kiss many brand ambassadors good bye!

Their CEO (tom Corcoran chairman of A123) and Jim taylor basically control the company. Joost will not likely say anything that has not been fed to him by these two individuals. Likely the information you are being fed is from Tom himself through Joost the messenger. YMMV. Just my opinion Perhaps you should try to call the CEO himself and ask him what he thinks. Their number is on their site. Lets see what happens!

 

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Next best thing almost done- retrofitting the Revero infotainment in the 2012 cars. Some minor details that need to be fixed but a marked improvement, for sure.

 

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When should I make an appointment with Joe ? Standing by!!!!!!!!

Close to finishing up

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If Karma releases more infotainment units (TPI, CIU, amplifier etc) it will be very doable to retrofit a bunch of units. It is a shame they are hoarding these components and not allowing customers to buy them for a reasonable rate (or at all).