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Can't believe it.

Just one day before I was to have the flatbed come to take my Karma in for the 6.15 update, it leaves me stranded at my office.

Symptom is (nearly) dead everything - had to use hard key to enter cockpit. Only indication of anything alive is the prindle with the P lit up bright.

Yes, I did turn car off before departing when I parked.

Anyone familiar with this problem?

Car is on its way to dealer (Tampa Bay -- highly recommended), about 12 hours earlier than planned.....
 

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Can't believe it.

Just one day before I was to have the flatbed come to take my Karma in for the 6.15 update, it leaves me stranded at my office.

Symptom is (nearly) dead everything - had to use hard key to enter cockpit. Only indication of anything alive is the prindle with the P lit up bright.

Yes, I did turn car off before departing when I parked.

Anyone familiar with this problem?

Car is on its way to dealer (Tampa Bay -- highly recommended), about 12 hours earlier than planned.....
Did you try to jump start it? (discussed in this thread that also refers to this thread). If the 12V battery dies, the HV battery cannot be unlocked and the car is basically dead but you can connect another 12V Battery and unlock the HV battery, which will then recharge the 12V battery in a few minutes.
 

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Just heard from tow company. Wheels locked. Can't be moved and they don't know what to do about this. Going to leave it in place (I'm not happy about this....) and talk to dealership in morning.

5300 lb paperweight at the moment.

On the good side, I did get called about 15 times between the Fisker tow assist and the local towing company (but it did take 2.5 hours for the tow truck to actually arrive).

About 1100 miles on odometer.

Still LOVE driving this thing. No other car driving experience like it.

Of course, on the other hand, I've not had the negative (glitchy failures) side of this driving "experience" since high school with my 1971 MGB GT.

Have other cars (didn't bother asking for a loaner) so this is a minor personal inconvenience but this is going to get old real quick if it happens too many more times.... And now I will be uncomfortable using the car for anything but my local commute.
 

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Sorry to hear that - let us know when you find out what was the cause... I haven't had any of those issues thus far and I'm about the same mileage (1200 or so)
 

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I had mine die rather spectacularly as well, (see thread about powertrain fault) ...I would insist that the dealership give you a really nice loaner car. Fisker Miami gave me a new Jaguar without me asking. If they have a 70G loaner out it gives them more incentive to get your Fisker back on the road ASAP instead of letting it languish while they go back and forth with Fisker. You want the dealership to have some skin in the game. I had a BMW 760, with the oddball V12 engine which wasn't a paragon of reliability BTW, and when I had a new 5 series loaner (which I started insisting on) it always seemed like my 7 get fixed much faster.
 

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I had a similar experience and was forced to use the key to get back into the car. Once opened we could jump start the 12v battery and all systems were on go. Flat bedded over to Palm Beach dealership who replaced the 12v battery and offered the following suggestion as a possible cause. Leaving Bluetooth on might drain the 12v battery, I have since turned off Bluetooth on my IPhone every time I garage the car for the night. 6.15 is being installed tomorrow, and I'm hoping this possible glitch may be corrected, if indeed it is a problem. Since then I have had ZERO issues with the Karma, I hope this helps.
 

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I had a similar experience and was forced to use the key to get back into the car. Once opened we could jump start the 12v battery and all systems were on go. Flat bedded over to Palm Beach dealership who replaced the 12v battery and offered the following suggestion as a possible cause. Leaving Bluetooth on might drain the 12v battery, I have since turned off Bluetooth on my IPhone every time I garage the car for the night. 6.15 is being installed tomorrow, and I'm hoping this possible glitch may be corrected, if indeed it is a problem. Since then I have had ZERO issues with the Karma, I hope this helps.
Interesting. I was streaming BT audio (which I usually don't do) before parking. Could explain (not excuse) the problem.

It's ironic if the way to get this *electric* car going is to "jump start" it....
 

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LJC said:
I had a similar experience and was forced to use the key to get back into the car. Once opened we could jump start the 12v battery and all systems were on go. Flat bedded over to Palm Beach dealership who replaced the 12v battery and offered the following suggestion as a possible cause. Leaving Bluetooth on might drain the 12v battery, I have since turned off Bluetooth on my IPhone every time I garage the car for the night. 6.15 is being installed tomorrow, and I'm hoping this possible glitch may be corrected, if indeed it is a problem. Since then I have had ZERO issues with the Karma, I hope this helps.
Interesting. I was streaming BT audio (which I usually don't do) before parking. Could explain (not excuse) the problem.

It's ironic if the way to get this *electric* car going is to "jump start" it....
From the official customer communication sent after the town hall meeting:

Issues Fixed:

• Bluetooth causes drain to 12V battery
 

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I am sorry to say my experience was simialr although not as bad. One day AFTER having 6.15 installed my car would not go into reverse or drive. After multiple power down cycles it still wouldn't I was really late to the office. Finally after a long power down, I got it too work, only to discover the CEL is now on. I never had this issue with 6.14.
 

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I am sorry to say my experience was simialr although not as bad. One day AFTER having 6.15 installed my car would not go into reverse or drive. After multiple power down cycles it still wouldn't I was really late to the office. Finally after a long power down, I got it too work, only to discover the CEL is now on. I never had this issue with 6.14.
Hey Doc,

I have the same exact issue with flashing 'READY' light, and I have to hard reboot each time I start the car. I did not have this problem in 6.14.2. I have already contacted the dealer, and the car is going back in :-( We will see How long they will keep my car this time.
 

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My 6.15 Experience

Well I got 6.15 installed yesterday. The dealer came and picked up my car today. Here's the story:

I drove home from the dealership yesterday after receiving 6.15 with no issues, and no idiot lights. I had been staring at the MIL forever (pretty much every day since I owned the car) and it was finally off. Very exciting! I didn't realize 6.15 erases all of your radio presets and command center settings, so it took me a few minutes to get that all set up again, name my fob, turn off the second time zone, etc. But all worked flawlessly. Parade mode light settings really seem to do something now too. BTW, 6.15 does not reset your trip computers, so my march toward MPG per 1000 miles continues unabated.

Interesting side note: The dealer told me that the reason the MIL was on was due to a diagnostic code that indicated the charger had a problem communicating with the car. It's the error that happens if the car wakes up (for example if a door is opened) while the car is charging. The dealer said that they installed 6.15 successfully, but that they talked to Fisker HQ and found out that there's a patch they can install that will eliminate the problem for good. As I understood it, it was separate and in addition to 6.15 and that it modifies or removes the software code that triggers that kind of fault. I don't have any specifics yet (what MIL code I had, or what this 'patch' is called, or any other details) and it's possible I simply misunderstood, but there may be a solution to the car-awakened-during-charging issue. Has anyone heard anything about this?

Back to the story: I drove the car once or twice since 6.15 without issues, including today to meet a friend for lunch. After lunch when I got in the car and started up I got a “PRND Fault” error display along with a chime and a big orange triangle when entering ACC mode. It did not go away when I went into Ready mode. I tried letting the car go to sleep and do a soft reset to see if that fixed the problem but I got the same message on restart. I experimented and found that the car would go into gear, so I backed out of my parking space, put it in Drive, drove 20 feet and parked in another space without incident. Although the PRND fault was displayed there was no issue selecting gear, and none of the horrible noises you hear if the parking pawl doesn’t retract. In my new parking space I let the car go to sleep and soft reset twice more without results, then I manually reset the PRND Fault (Ready mode, then hold D, N, R and P successively for 3 seconds each, then soft reset). The PRND went away and I was able to drive home but the MIL was on and has remained on since. I’ve driven the car approximately 25 miles today since then in sport and stealth with various starts and stops and the MIL is persistent.

This may or may not be related, but since the PRND Fault I’ve also noticed the following:
• All of my AM/FM and Sirius presets are missing. After installing 6.15 I reprogrammed all of them. Since 6.15 allegedly addressed the missing pre-set problem I was happy to do so. It seems to have not worked in my case (which makes me wonder if some parts of 6.15 didn’t take for me). Interestingly, if I manually tune a station on Sirius by entering a station number, the station plays and the preset button that was previously assigned to that channel is highlighted, even though the button text says "Preview". The preset does not tune to that channel if you press the button however without being reprogrammed. It seems to know what button used to be assigned to that station. There’s a lot of weirdness in the CIU when it comes to station presets.

I called the dealer and explained that I was less than pleased with my 6.15 experience. I was especially frustrated because I know from this forum that some other folks have had post-6.15 issues and I would have hoped that they would know what to look for. It seems that the level of information sharing among dealers is less than the level here. Mine was the first 6.15 car they had with issues (there's now a second). The dealership came and got my car and the regional Fisker rep is going to look at it tomorrow. I'll keep you posted!

I didn't mean to write a novel, but I feel better now :)

Brent
 

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doc said:
I am sorry to say my experience was simialr although not as bad. One day AFTER having 6.15 installed my car would not go into reverse or drive. After multiple power down cycles it still wouldn't I was really late to the office. Finally after a long power down, I got it too work, only to discover the CEL is now on. I never had this issue with 6.14.
Hey Doc,

I have the same exact issue with flashing 'READY' light, and I have to hard reboot each time I start the car. I did not have this problem in 6.14.2. I have already contacted the dealer, and the car is going back in :-( We will see How long they will keep my car this time.
It is really frustrating isn't it. They had my car for over 3 weeks. And I guess they were really busy with other vehicles and didnt touch mine until about 2 weeks out, and that was just to get a trunk car mat in and a fender defect resolved. I am a loyalist to the Fisker Karma's brand. But when the car is there for over three weeks and comes back in worse condition then it started it gets pretty stressful. I don't want to send the car back yet b/c I am afraid it will turn into another 3 week saga.
 

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RE: LonePalmBJ

How much time did you spent from the minute you got in your car(soft reset 5x, manually reset, etc...) doing all that you did once you noticed something was wrong?

Are we going to be afraid every time you get in to your Karma if everything will be OK so you can just get back home in peace? Leaving a restaurant, mall, friends home, etc...

I think it's embarrassing when you have bunch of people staring at your car (because it's AMAZING) and you got some type of an issue that prevents you from just driving away. So you need to go thru all that stuff just to leave.

Have this happened to anyone yet?
 

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How much time did you spent from the minute you got in your car(soft reset 5x, manually reset, etc...) doing all that you did once you noticed something was wrong?
I don't know, maybe 15 minutes total. I wasn't stranded - the car operated fine, but there was an annoying dashboard display. I was curious and was experimenting some. It was frustrating because I *just* got it back from the dealer the day before getting 6.15 (where of course it was perfectly well behaved)

WOJO said:
Are we going to be afraid every time you get in to your Karma if everything will be OK so you can just get back home in peace? Leaving a restaurant, mall, friends home, etc...
I'm not. For all of the annoyances, the car has never left me stranded, I've never had to hard-reboot, and I've never had any performance, safety or mechanical issues. I suspect that some aspect of 6.15 wasn't successfully installed on my car and that's what's leading to the behavior.


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I think it's embarrassing when you have bunch of people staring at your car (because it's AMAZING) and you got some type of an issue that prevents you from just driving away. So you need to go thru all that stuff just to leave.
Agreed. Fortunatley I was driving by myself at the time, and like I said I was always able to drive.

I do feel a bit sheepish sometimes though; Even the MIL display, which has pretty much been always on for me, is embarassing. It's silly to have to explain it to your passengers as a "software glitch". That's why I was so excited to get 6.15 and be rid of it, and why I'm frustrated it's not gone yet!


I do have some perspective; at the end of the day for me these are minor quibbles, and the joy I get from owning the car vastly outweighs these small annoyances. I'm not at all afraid to drive it. Like the saying goes: ships are safe in the harbor, but that's not what ships are for.


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So I spoke with a swat team member this am. And it seems like if you get a flashing ready light everytime you start up the Karma, despite patiently taking all the steps not to turn on the car too quickly, there is a potential hardware issue that needs to be looked at. It took me about 15 minutes this morning to start up after reboots. (I never had this issue with 6.142)I will taking this to the dealer in the next few weeks to get this hardware glitch taken care of. Probably will not be taking any friends out to dinner or valet the car till then.
 

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So I spoke with a swat team member this am. And it seems like if you get a flashing ready light everytime you start up the Karma, despite patiently taking all the steps not to turn on the car too quickly, there is a potential hardware issue that needs to be looked at. It took me about 15 minutes this morning to start up after reboots. (I never had this issue with 6.142)I will taking this to the dealer in the next few weeks to get this hardware glitch taken care of. Probably will not be taking any friends out to dinner or valet the car till then.
Well, my car is still at the shop. I was getting so good at hard reboot each time I need to drive my Karma. I could do a complete reboot and start the car in 10 minutes flat (try to beat that!) The most time consuming portion is opening and closing the hood. I was told that they have a patch to 6.15 to try on my car for that problem. I was also told that all of my car batteries may need to be changed. We will see what happens :-(
 

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Your 12v battery is dead. Search these forums and you will find lots of similar stories and advice.

Here's the short version: Replace the 12v battery (don't jump or trickle charge the one you have) and you'll be fine. Search here for threads discussing where the battery is, what kind to use, and the few things you need to reset and reinitialize after replacing it. You should be fine.
 

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Your 12v battery is dead. Search these forums and you will find lots of similar stories and advice.

Here's the short version: Replace the 12v battery (don't jump or trickle charge the one you have) and you'll be fine. Search here for threads discussing where the battery is, what kind to use, and the few things you need to reset and reinitialize after replacing it. You should be fine.
To get inside the car without power, you can use the emergency metal key embedded in your fob to open the passenger side door.
 
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