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"Agree" button suggestion for current and future new owners. Owners manual should read...."Push Agree Twice then allow 5 secs to allow boot up". This knowledge will prevent frustration to many who expect one push quick response. By having this information, expectations are met and questions about how to navigate this function are addressed as the system currently performs well using this technique! :)
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Naples, That is a great suggestion... I actually find myself driving the car for 20-30 minutes before even noticing that its still waiting for me to press "Agree".. I love to hear what my car is doing and rarely care about whats on the radio. :)

I think the "Agree" button itself is actually pretty stupid.. It should automatically press Agree for you after 5 seconds..

Mopar navigation has a warning screen that goes away after 3-4 seconds.. even with the warning screen it still turns on the radio instantly.

the mygig nav is in Ferrari California, all Jeeps, all Chrysler products, Dodge etc..
If Mopar can bypass the warning screen its good for all.
 

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This is actually pretty stupid.. It should automatically press Agree for you after 5 seconds..

Mopar navigation has a warning screen that goes away after 3-4 seconds.. even with the warning screen it still turns on the radio instantly.

the mygig nav is in Ferrari California, all Jeeps, all Chrysler products, Dodge etc..
If Mopar can bypass the warning screen its good for all.
I don't think the suggestion was stupid at all, the intent was to assist how to work within the current system. If the system has issues, we all seem to know there are possibly more refined ones out there, but I doubt the off the shelf system in chryslers is calibrated to run two power trains and charge / regenerate a 19k$ jeep that gets 18mpg. I also think its kind of sad the parts bin from said jeep is so obviously plunked in a Ferrari ....[hr]
kylekeith said:
This is actually pretty stupid.. It should automatically press Agree for you after 5 seconds..

Mopar navigation has a warning screen that goes away after 3-4 seconds.. even with the warning screen it still turns on the radio instantly.

the mygig nav is in Ferrari California, all Jeeps, all Chrysler products, Dodge etc..
If Mopar can bypass the warning screen its good for all.
I don't think the suggestion was stupid at all, the intent was to assist how to work within the current system. If the system has issues, we all seem to know there are possibly more refined ones out there, but I doubt the off the shelf system in chryslers is calibrated to run two power trains and charge / regenerate a 19k$ jeep that gets 18mpg. I also think its kind of sad the parts bin from said jeep is so obviously plunked in a Ferrari ....also the agree is there for a safety step so kids don't kill themselves.
 

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I understand your frustration about the need to agree however as long as it exists in the software it was a suggestion from my own experience and I am just trying to help others get past the current situation. Similar to unplugging the vehicle prior to opening any doors seem to sequence a better system on the car. I will take your "stupid" comment as frustration with the system and not my effort to help others. btw..thanks ross a klein :)
 

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I understand your frustration about the need to agree however as long as it exists in the software it was a suggestion from my own experience and I am just trying to help others get past the current situation. Similar to unplugging the vehicle prior to opening any doors seem to sequence a better system on the car. I will take your "stupid" comment as frustration with the system and not my effort to help others. btw..thanks ross a klein :)
"agree";)
 

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This is where people read things the wrong way... I said NOTHING about his suggestion being stupid.. SIMPLY the AGREE button was STUPID.. I guess I should have wrote my response a little more direct.. I will go edit it now.

Not sure how my words got construed as a direct attack on someone trying to help out.. I simply said ALL other manufactures have removed the warning button being required to press every time you get in the car.

So your bash on Ferrari for using a widely used navigation is ridiculous... Think about your comment.

Your saying because Ferrari, Owned by Fiat, puts their navigation into their car for sale is sad.. Even though it is being used by millions.. Your buying a Ferrari for the way it drives not the innovation of their navigation system.

Fisker putting Brembo brakes in the car instead of Fisker developed brakes is also sad? They are the best brakes used by a lot of people/companies.

I want what works best.. The MyGIG navigation is used by MILLIONS of people..

I am not sure the last time you looked at Jeeps but I currently drive a Jeep Liberty Renegade and paid 31k for it.. before that I had a Jeep Grand Cherokee HEMI that got 15mpg and paid 48k... Jeep makes the best all around great car.. I will always own a Jeep... Tow my boat to the lake, venture off road, change the oil and not deal with any issues. ROCK SOLID.

I could talk cars all day... Ferrari finally earned my respect after making the California using Fiat's Dual Clutch. Finally you can own a Ferrari as a daily driver. Thanks to Fiat, you can actually drive the hell out of the car without the car spending half of the time you own it in the shop. You can also drive a Ferrari with a full navigation system.
 

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kylekeith said:
This is where people read things the wrong way... I said NOTHING about his suggestion being stupid.. SIMPLY the AGREE button was STUPID.. I guess I should have wrote my response a little more direct.. I will go edit it now.

Not sure how my words got construed as a direct attack on someone trying to help out.. I simply said ALL other manufactures have removed the warning button being required to press every time you get in the car.

So your bash on Ferrari for using a widely used navigation is ridiculous... Think about your comment.

Your saying because Ferrari, Owned by Fiat, puts their navigation into their car for sale is sad.. Even though it is being used by millions.. Your buying a Ferrari for the way it drives not the innovation of their navigation system.

Fisker putting Brembo brakes in the car instead of Fisker developed brakes is also sad? They are the best brakes used by a lot of people/companies.

I want what works best.. The MyGIG navigation is used by MILLIONS of people..

I am not sure the last time you looked at Jeeps but I currently drive a Jeep Liberty Renegade and paid 31k for it.. before that I had a Jeep Grand Cherokee HEMI that got 15mpg and paid 48k... Jeep makes the best all around great car.. I will always own a Jeep... Tow my boat to the lake, venture off road, change the oil and not deal with any issues. ROCK SOLID.

I could talk cars all day... Ferrari finally earned my respect after making the California using Fiat's Dual Clutch. Finally you can own a Ferrari as a daily driver. Thanks to Fiat, you can actually drive the hell out of the car without the car spending half of the time you own it in the shop. You can also drive a Ferrari with a full navigation system.
I have never heard of the consumer pressing the "Agree" button being used successfully as a defense in a product liability suit, for cars or for anything else for that matter. This is not my area, so there may be cases out there where that defense worked, but if it does not actually create a defense, I have to question why every many car makers are putting them in their cars. This is particularly dubious since the cars usually can works without agreeing to the statement on the screen, so I don't get the purpose of it.

The issue of the "Agree" screen is actually separate and apart from how good the navigation system is. In the few times that I have actually used the Fisker's nav system, it has worked fine and gotten me where I was going. It could be much better, to be sure, but I think the folks who think it is unusable are being overly harsh.

I think if the "Agree" screen needs to be there for some reason, it would be helpful if upon pressing the accept button, the Fisker logo would twirl around, or change into an hourglass or a progress bar while the system is booting so that the user knows the input has been received and the system is working on starting up. In fact, as long as the system is booting up, it could take a few extra seconds and pre-load each of the main screens into cache so that there is no delay after startup when you want to change radio stations or start the nav system

Maybe some of these could be incorporated into versions 616 and beyond.
 

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Not sure if you have 615 but I have noticed the system is more responsive and boots a little differently..

The agree button doesn't appear on the screen at first boot..
 

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I personally think the agree button is a waste of time the place you ever see a Agree button on any system I've used was using a Garmin GPS . Why do I have too agree to turn on my Ac or Radio .
 

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Maybe they should just rename the button "awaken". As it was explained to me, it's about booting up, similar to when one turns on their p c or Mac and it cycles through. Maybe they should save agree for nav which is the industry standard. The step doesn't bother me at all based on the complexity of what the unit needs to do, two seconds doesn't seem to be a big deal and I like that the majority of switchgear is unique to karma not a parts pantry like my Rolls',Astons and evoque or when my Bentleys had an over the counter Alpine nav system plunked into the pop up dash
 

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I find it sad that we have to have this forum to help us figure out our 100+ thousand dollar cars. Fisker can't even come close to Ferrari. Really? Don't even drop the name Ferrari in the same sentence as Fisker. I want to hit AGREE once and only once and it better F'ing work! Why don't we get together and demand that our cars work as sold, and not come up with STUPID work arounds?
 

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I find it sad that we have to have this forum to help us figure out our 100+ thousand dollar cars. Fisker can't even come close to Ferrari. Really? Don't even drop the name Ferrari in the same sentence as Fisker. I want to hit AGREE once and only once and it better F'ing work! Why don't we get together and demand that our cars work as sold, and not come up with STUPID work arounds?
Which is more STUPID? A car that does this:





or having to wait 2 seconds after pressing Agree?

You are welcome.
 

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VegasKarma said:
I find it sad that we have to have this forum to help us figure out our 100+ thousand dollar cars. Fisker can't even come close to Ferrari. Really? Don't even drop the name Ferrari in the same sentence as Fisker. I want to hit AGREE once and only once and it better F'ing work! Why don't we get together and demand that our cars work as sold, and not come up with STUPID work arounds?
I guess you never owned a Ferrari 348 or earlier? Or a Lotus Esprit? I understand your frustration, but my #72 S.E. just isn't that "glitchy" and I have no plans to even upgrade to 6.15 anytime soon. Mine works just fine and with 345mpg in the last 377 miles, I'll gladly compare my Karma to any Ferrari anytime. I'd rather have a Karma with software issues that can be corrected quickly and gets 345mpg (and this is the reason I love this car).
Let's compare the Karma to Ferrari:
Topic 1: Price.
Topic 2: MPG.
Topic 3: SPG. (Smiles per gallon).
 

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Which is more STUPID? A car that does this:



or having to wait 2 seconds after pressing Agree?

You are welcome.
LMFAO :D:D:D
 

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None of you bought the Fisker because you are "going green" or that you even give a shit about MPG. That is so funny! All of us list the "other cars we own" and they are the largest gas guzzlers out there, and I LOVE IT! All my other rides are gas guzzling, earth destroying toys that always put a smile on my face. Don't act like any of you are doing anything to protect our environment, what a joke. All I was saying is, we spent a ton of money and the car should work correctly. Thats all. I don't want a "work around". I want my car to work the same as all my cars. If not, give my money back. Its very simple. I love my Karma. I never said I did not like my car. Its awesome. I just want it to work. Thats all. Just "simple" functions. Nothing in our cars is new technology. Blue tooth, Nav, USB, really? Come on guys. Don't let them blow smoke up your ass. Demand your car work. Love the pics of burning Ferrari's. To funny....LOL
 

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None of you bought the Fisker because you are "going green" or that you even give a shit about MPG. That is so funny! All of us list the "other cars we own" and they are the largest gas guzzlers out there, and I LOVE IT! All my other rides are gas guzzling, earth destroying toys that always put a smile on my face. Don't act like any of you are doing anything to protect our environment, what a joke.
Look at my signature. Do you see any other cars? The Fisker is my only car and I use it every day to commute 70 miles round trip, and I love the fact that I get 100+ MPG in THAT car. Obviously, some of the folks on this board are fortunate enough to be able to buy and keep multiple exotic cars but that seems to be the exception rather than the rule. It is not particularly hard to understand the allure of driving a Lamborghini, but I doubt that anyone who owns one actually uses it to commute to work every day, whereas the Karma can be used that way, and is really designed to be used that way most of the time. I do what I can to reduce my pollution and CO2 footprint (LED lighting, PV Generation, Extra Insulation, Programmable heating, etc.) and the Karma is part of that overall effort. It may only be a small contribution to the overall solution, but it is definitely not a joke to me, nor would I presume to mock your love of driving Earth crushing vehicles around for your personal amusement given the cost and impact, not just in Dollars but in pollution and energy security for the United States. To each his treacherous own.

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All I was saying is, we spent a ton of money and the car should work correctly. Thats all. I don't want a "work around". I want my car to work the same as all my cars. If not, give my money back. Its very simple. I love my Karma. I never said I did not like my car. Its awesome. I just want it to work. Thats all. Just "simple" functions. Nothing in our cars is new technology. Blue tooth, Nav, USB, really? Come on guys. Don't let them blow smoke up your ass. Demand your car work.
It's hard to argue with your sentiment, but you should also consider that this is a highly integrated car and the USB streaming may in fact be affected by software controlling the inverters and motors, and the entire system needs to debugged as an integrated whole, rather than a bunch of individual components. Yes, BT, USB, Nav, etc., have been around for a long time and they are working fine in standard cars. but the overall technology in the FIsker is barely 5 years old, whereas the technology of the internal combustion engine has evolved over the last 100+ years. I am willing to support Fisker with my money and time to allow them to improve the overall functionality because I believe that this technology is a fundamental shift in propulsion and energy management and I like to be part of that change. I am not letting them off the hook by any means. I expect to have a car that works perfectly in all respects. But I also recognize the complexity of this task and have expectations that are proportional to the task. Of course, YMMV.

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Love the pics of burning Ferrari's. To funny....LOL
You are welcome. To me, it is a pretty horrifying and sad sight to see such an example of incredibly advanced engineering burn like a yule log, but it does make the point.
 
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