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View Poll Results: What should we do with Fisker Karma prototype mule #3?
Restore it to factory stock? 9 22.50%
Make it all electric with a larger battery pack, using Tesla components? 20 50.00%
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Old 11-17-2016, 06:43 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Anyone here know Alex Klatt (main interior Fisker guy when this was built)?
He has a LinkenIN profile here. Seems like the right guy since he is in Henrik and Bill Stinnet's networks. If you have a profile, you can send him a message through LinkedIN.
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He has a LinkenIN profile here. Seems like the right guy since he is in Henrik and Bill Stinnet's networks. If you have a profile, you can send him a message through LinkedIN.
We do not have access to send him a message through LinkedIN. If anyone could; that would be helpful. Plan on documenting the build on Fiskerbuzz, I think it will be fun!
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This is one of the most interesting threads for a while - thank you. One thing I don't see mentioned is how you came to own this prototype. There's got to be a story there...
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This is one of the most interesting threads for a while - thank you. One thing I don't see mentioned is how you came to own this prototype. There's got to be a story there...

It was going to be crushed by the previous owner and I bought it. A lot of the original prototypes were crushed when they moved out of Anaheim.

For example this zebra car was crushed, the first real driving Karma from 2008 with UQM motors. Pretty sad actually.

The two mule trucks were sold for scrap metal (2008 Chevy Silverado with UQM motors and a battery pack in the bed).

You can see some of the prototypes in this video

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As I have been saying for years, my dream car would be a Fisker on the outside and Tesla under the skin, a Tisker, or Fesla. The all-EV choice is really a no-trainer for me.
Fab, I am not on the all-EV page until the range anxiety is reduced by the coming improvement in charging efficiency. I have been on an "EV-drive about" and the race to charging stations was as tense as the impatience about the length of time individuals monopolized the units. I just spent my time talking about the best looking car there and acknowledging the fact that we are in a transition time from fossil fuels.
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What color is it? It isn't one of the production colors (at least doesn't look like one)
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What color is it? It isn't one of the production colors (at least doesn't look like one)

It is the first shadow (prototype 3) but an eco standard (black interior). Total basket case that requires new harness and everything else. Later this week hopefully have most of it apart to start the restoration back to the original Fisker Karma limo . This thing has copious amounts of sound deadening everywhere.
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It is the first shadow (prototype 3) but an eco standard (black interior). Total basket case that requires new harness and everything else. Later this week hopefully have most of it apart to start the restoration back to the original Fisker Karma limo . This thing has copious amounts of sound deadening everywhere.
Please, please, please, document the build with lots of photographs and video. It would be fascinating to see a Karma taken apart and put back together again. A time lapse would be ideal, if you can set that up.
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The above posts are somewhat fascinating.
For those of us Fisker Karma neophytes would someone please help explain/define some or all of the following:

Fisker Karma prototype
only existing Karma prototype?
(Other than the non running Laguna roller?)
(and other than the Karma 1 deep ocean?)

mule (what is a mule?)

mule #3 (was there a mule #1 , #2 , #4 & beyond?) (any significance to mule #3 ?)

China mule (what is a China mule?)

Fisker Karma car crushing? why?

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Most prototypes were crushed / dismantled. There appears to be only 3 left. This is 1 of the 3.

A mule is a car that has the drivetrain (electric motors, inverters, various control units, battery pack, etc.) from the Fisker, without having the Fisker body on it (for longer established carmakers, they typically use older car models from the same line). Usually these are grafted onto an existing platform like the Chevy truck in this case. A good example of this, is the upcoming mid-engine Chevrolet Corvette. The mule for that car was a 2014 Holden Ute with the running components arranged in the bed of the vehicle. (Here's what that looked like.)

For Fisker, there were other mules / test cars, but a large majority of them were either scrapped, crushed, or sold to private collectors.

Cars a typically crushed by manufacturers for a variety of reasons.
1. They don't meet US regulatory standards, so they cannot be sold like a regular car.
2. They need the space, and cannot store the vehicle.
3. The vehicle has served its purpose and is being eliminated.

Typically, unless the drivetrain/technology features critical IP, most auto manufacturers will sell to a select group of private buyers. These guys and gals typically purchase prototype cars that were made specifically for major car shows, however they will purchase a mule or test vehicle if the right opportunity presented itself.

If there is critical IP on the vehicle, the vehicle usually has its critical components removed for further evaluation, and the rest of the car is either scrapped or crushed.
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