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Old 08-17-2016, 12:47 AM   #21 (permalink)
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I don't recall seeing the significance of the Revero name before but you might want to take a close look at the name rEVERo. Ring a bell?
I am sticking with my original guess that Revero was selected because it sounds a lot like Revatio, a drug that helps you breathe better, and also has some interesting side effects.
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I was surprised the hear that the same GM ICE will be used. I understood GM had discontinued that engine. I expected an improvement in the CIU, but a little concerned on the $150K price -- good for our 2012 Karma's resale value.
From what I was told, Fisker had a few of these engines in stock along with a bunch of other parts.
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From what I was told, Fisker had a few of these engines in stock along with a bunch of other parts.
That's is surprising.... so it has the 2009 ICE.. I was hoping they would move to BWM or VW Diesel with more torque so it wouldn't need thee high revolutions.
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By the time they launch with the old Ecotec engines any chance at getting a green sticker will be gone. I understand the BMW engines they are going with in the future are SULEV compliant, which would qualify but the stickers are near gone.

It is interesting to see Mercedes S-Class plug-ins with the HOV green sticker even though the Karma has more "Green" cred? Was really hoping for a HOV sticker compliant car.
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By the time they launch with the old Ecotec engines any chance at getting a green sticker will be gone. I understand the BMW engines they are going with in the future are SULEV compliant, which would qualify but the stickers are near gone.

It is interesting to see Mercedes S-Class plug-ins with the HOV green sticker even though the Karma has more "Green" cred? Was really hoping for a HOV sticker compliant car.
The Green Stickers are not nearly gone, they are completely gone. From the DMV Website:

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MPORTANT NOTICE: The 85,000 statutory Green Clean Air Decal limit has been reached. We will continue to accept applications without payment to establish a queue for requesters should an additional amount of decals be authorized. There is no guarantee that additional decals will be authorized in the coming months. Those individuals in the queue will be notified to submit payment if additional decals are approved. Updates will be provided here as more information becomes available.
Fortunately, there are no limits on White (Zero Emission) stickers. That bodes well for any future BEV Karma conversion -- not that anyone is doing that.
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Karma Auto will use up the current inventory of parts left over from the Karma before they move forward . The parts will include the RDM and traction motors, Engine ,Coupler, and basically anything else you can think of from the Karma with the exception of the touch screen and CIU and interior parts since they will offer new colors . I would imagine the seat frames will be from the Karma and they will swap out the leather.
Karma Auto wasn't in a position to do structural changes
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Just read this article:

https://www.wired.com/2016/08/fisker...motive-revero/

So we know at least one of the fixes between the Karma and the Revero was better airflow for ICE cooling. Wondering if the fix is simple enough to make to our Karmas or does it involve lots of new hardware?

Given that it's hot in Phoenix from May-September, this improvement in the Revero caught my attention.
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That's is surprising.... so it has the 2009 ICE.. I was hoping they would move to BWM or VW Diesel with more torque so it wouldn't need thee high revolutions.

I don't think you need more torque to drive the generator...
Using a more economic and more silent ice would be nice.
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Just read this article:

https://www.wired.com/2016/08/fisker...motive-revero/

So we know at least one of the fixes between the Karma and the Revero was better airflow for ICE cooling. Wondering if the fix is simple enough to make to our Karmas or does it involve lots of new hardware?
Not sure what Karma's solution is but after CFD analysis the only solution to solve the ICE overheating problems, once and for all, is to replace the radiator with a more beefier unit. The stock radiator is off a Solstice and has about the cooling capacity of an A/C condenser. We use this 2 row unit from Ron Davis (pic attached). Never had any issues even in the dead of summer in death valley. Roughly 60% more cooling capability. From our analysis the issue was lack of cooling surface area- not air flow. Previous to radiator replacement, we had the same issues described in the article driving up to Big Bear.

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Not sure what Karma's solution is but after CFD analysis the only solution to solve the ICE overheating problems, once and for all, is to replace the radiator with a more beefier unit. The stock radiator is off a Solstice and has about the cooling capacity of an A/C condenser. We use this 2 row unit from Ron Davis (pic attached). Never had any issues even in the dead of summer in death valley. Roughly 60% more cooling capability. From our analysis the issue was lack of cooling surface area- not air flow. Previous to radiator replacement, we had the same issues described in the article driving up to Big Bear.
Is it a drop-in fit or do you have to make modifications to the engine compartment to fit it in?
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