I need new Front Sub Frame - Fisker Buzz Forums
Fisker Buzz Forums

User Tag List

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 01-08-2016, 05:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 546
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 22 Post(s)
Default I need new Front Sub Frame

Recently, the steering wheel on my Karma went 'cockeyed'. In order to drive in a straight line, I'd have to point the steering wheel as if I was going to veer to the left. Also, the Traction Control Warning Light would come on even though I was simply driving in a straight line.

I took the car to Alex Pop at Elite Motors OC. He diagnosed a broken front subframe. Alex said the only new subframes that were available were bound for Fisker to be used in new vehicles. So we welded the part which failed again in a few weeks. My steering wheel is once again listing to the left.

So far, Alex has been unable to source a new subframe despite multiple calls to The New Fisker (or whatever they're calling themselves these days). Now, I'm reaching out to the community here to inquire about whether any other dealers/certified service providers have a lead on a new subframe or even an intact subframe from a damaged Karma.

I would appreciate any help I could get. Thanks!
Weird Fishes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2016, 06:49 PM   #2 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
JCMorrill's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Posts: 829
Mentioned: 22 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 254 Post(s)
Default

How do you think it broke in the first place?
JCMorrill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2016, 07:34 PM   #3 (permalink)
Early Adopter
 
Nin ja's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Virginia
Posts: 1,226
Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 216 Post(s)
Garage
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Weird Fishes View Post
Recently, the steering wheel on my Karma went 'cockeyed'. In order to drive in a straight line, I'd have to point the steering wheel as if I was going to veer to the left. Also, the Traction Control Warning Light would come on even though I was simply driving in a straight line.

I took the car to Alex Pop at Elite Motors OC. He diagnosed a broken front subframe. Alex said the only new subframes that were available were bound for Fisker to be used in new vehicles. So we welded the part which failed again in a few weeks. My steering wheel is once again listing to the left.

So far, Alex has been unable to source a new subframe despite multiple calls to The New Fisker (or whatever they're calling themselves these days). Now, I'm reaching out to the community here to inquire about whether any other dealers/certified service providers have a lead on a new subframe or even an intact subframe from a damaged Karma.

I would appreciate any help I could get. Thanks!
woah - never hear of that, are you referring to aluminum structure?
__________________
Karma Ecosport eclipse / dune
Nin ja is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Old 01-08-2016, 08:25 PM   #4 (permalink)
Ira
Senior Member
 
Ira's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: NorCal
Posts: 858
Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 102 Post(s)
Garage
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nin ja View Post
woah - never hear of that, are you referring to aluminum structure?
It's a steel tubular structure in most cars. Usually there are two subframes, a front and rear. Makes assembly and repair of major components easier. From Wikipedia:

There are generally three basic forms of the subframe.
  1. A simple "axle" type which usually carries the lower control arms and steering rack. (This is what probably broke.)
  2. A perimeter frame which carries the above components but in addition supports the engine.
  3. A perimeter frame which carries the above components but in addition supports the engine, transmission and possibly the full suspension. (As used on front wheel drive cars)
__________________
Karma - Shadow/Canyon #1292
Ira is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2016, 11:08 PM   #5 (permalink)
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 9
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Default

This is what the Karma front sub frame looks like. Only previous failure that I have seen was when a tow truck driver attached straps to the steering gear assembly. A big no-no.
Attached Images
File Type: png Subframe.png (37.7 KB, 33 views)
F222 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-09-2016, 04:42 PM   #6 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 546
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 22 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JCMorrill View Post
How do you think it broke in the first place?
There is a pothole that goes across an entire lane of traffic, and I have little choice but to navigate it every day. I think I just drove over it too many times and, given that the car weighs 5 million tons, the subframe eventually failed.
Weird Fishes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-09-2016, 06:08 PM   #7 (permalink)
Ira
Senior Member
 
Ira's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: NorCal
Posts: 858
Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 102 Post(s)
Garage
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Weird Fishes View Post
There is a pothole that goes across an entire lane of traffic, and I have little choice but to navigate it every day. I think I just drove over it too many times and, given that the car weighs 5 million tons, the subframe eventually failed.

For the rest of us who hit potholes here in California (Gov. Brown, are you listening?), did you have any symptoms besides the left-canted steering wheel and the TM warning light?

For example, did your Karma want to veer to the right or left? Did it make any "clunking" noises during turns?
__________________
Karma - Shadow/Canyon #1292
Ira is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2016, 12:38 AM   #8 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 546
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 22 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ira View Post
For the rest of us who hit potholes here in California (Gov. Brown, are you listening?), did you have any symptoms besides the left-canted steering wheel and the TM warning light?

For example, did your Karma want to veer to the right or left? Did it make any "clunking" noises during turns?
The only symptom was that positioning the steering wheel in a way that you would think would send it straight ahead would cause it to veer right. The only way to get it to steer straight was to tilt the wheel as though you wanted to veer left. There were no noises.

And the pothole in question is in West Hollywood which means it is a responsibility of city, not state, government.
Weird Fishes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2016, 12:42 AM   #9 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: South Florida
Posts: 3,002
Mentioned: 143 Post(s)
Tagged: 3 Thread(s)
Quoted: 491 Post(s)
Default

I might know of a sub available I will call Alex and tell him who to call
Harleyguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2016, 03:00 PM   #10 (permalink)
Ira
Senior Member
 
Ira's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: NorCal
Posts: 858
Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 102 Post(s)
Garage
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Weird Fishes View Post
And the pothole in question is in West Hollywood which means it is a responsibility of city, not state, government.
This is getting a bit off-topic, but in case California Karma owners are wondering why we still have so many streets in disrepair . . .

Yes, Weird Fishes, local street repair has always been the responsibility of city government. But these days, street repair is often deferred because Gov. Brown and the Legislature dissolved the RDA (Redevelopment Agency) in 2012. RDA funds from the State had mandated that cities fix streets, build schools, and otherwise "urbanize" to "improve the quality of life" in California.

The State of California still provides some funding to local municipalities by funneling back a portion of our property taxes to local "Successor Agencies" that were formed to replace the State's RDA.

But it's a lot less now than it was when we had RDA funding.

If you are a policy wonk and want to know how complicated this all is, take a look at:

http://www.lao.ca.gov/reports/2011/s...re_082511.aspx.

The speaker from Legislative's Analysts Office admits that infrastructure project priorities are often misdirected, i.e., low priority projects are given high priority.
__________________
Karma - Shadow/Canyon #1292
Ira is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Front Bumper alexpop Fisker Karma 0 10-13-2014 04:18 PM
VL Destino on Sunset Frame Carved The Car Lounge 19 02-01-2014 08:49 PM
Destino on Model S Frame smoothoperator The Car Lounge 8 01-18-2014 10:47 AM
Fisker to debut Karma advanced aluminum space frame at Geneva Motor Show Wimbledon Fisker Karma 4 03-13-2010 04:16 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:28 PM.



Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2
Garage Plus vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.